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31 Dec 2016, 6:33 am

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No, Trump is not a racist or a bigot and it is best to ignore the people who say that as they will soon be irrelevant. If Democrats don't abandon this narrative then we will have a GOP majority for a generation.


You do realise that he lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes?



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31 Dec 2016, 7:32 am

Any God that would want someone to spread so much hatred and division is certainly no God of mine. If I believed in God it would be one that tried to spread love, peace & integration.



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31 Dec 2016, 7:36 am

feral botanist wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

No, Trump is not a racist or a bigot and it is best to ignore the people who say that as they will soon be irrelevant. If Democrats don't abandon this narrative then we will have a GOP majority for a generation.


You do realise that he lost the popular vote by almost 3,000,000 votes?


Trump was a racist the moment he hopped on board the birther bandwagon. The fact that the first black president had to prove he was born in the US, while his predecessors had to do no such thing is embarrassing. Trump has made a bad impression on over half of Americans and threatening us won't change the way we feel about him.


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31 Dec 2016, 10:33 am

He either deliberatly marketed himself to them, or as they flocked to him he made only perfunctory efforts to distance himself from them, quite happy to have thier votes. Whether he personaly is a racist is irrelevent.


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01 Jan 2017, 5:51 pm

I don't believe any secular leader is anointed by God. What's scary about saying such a thing is, if such an "anointed" leader as Trump decides he's not going to relinquish power after the end of his term, how many of his fanbase will be supportive of it, thinking it must be God's will?
But if Trump is truly anointed by the Lord, and all his decisions are godly, does that mean that homophobic conservatives were wrong because Trump says LGBT rights are safe under his Presidency? :P


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04 Jan 2017, 7:29 pm

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trump IS racist. he refused until ordered by the courts to rent to blacks.

LOL Just when I thought your posts couldn't possibly present something more unthinking.....

That happened in 1973----PE Trump was a 27-year-old!! Do YOU think the same way, as when you were 27?

LOL Wow.






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04 Jan 2017, 8:02 pm

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cathylynn wrote:
trump IS racist. he refused until ordered by the courts to rent to blacks.

LOL Just when I thought your posts couldn't possibly present something more unthinking.....

That happened in 1973----PE Trump was a 27-year-old!! Do YOU think the same way, as when you were 27?

LOL Wow.


I do about somethings and not about others, but if you are going to take it to court, it would seem that it is a pretty strong belief.

Has he shown in any way that he has changed that belief?



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04 Jan 2017, 9:17 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
trump IS racist. he refused until ordered by the courts to rent to blacks.

LOL Just when I thought your posts couldn't possibly present something more unthinking.....

That happened in 1973----PE Trump was a 27-year-old!! Do YOU think the same way, as when you were 27?

LOL Wow.

basically, yes. i think the same way. he was an adult.



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04 Jan 2017, 9:24 pm

a tenet of psychology is that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. if he had been a teenager, you might have had a point. brains are still forming then. peer pressure is a strong influence then. trying things no sane adult would advise happens a lot then. which is why teens shouldn't be tried as adults.



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05 Jan 2017, 9:26 am

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a tenet of psychology is that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

The future behaviour being his birther campaign.


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05 Jan 2017, 3:21 pm

some people, if trump raped their mother or if, as he said, he shot someone, would still rationalize supporting him. that's the real trump derangement syndrome.



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05 Jan 2017, 3:54 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
trump IS racist. he refused until ordered by the courts to rent to blacks.

LOL Just when I thought your posts couldn't possibly present something more unthinking.....

That happened in 1973----PE Trump was a 27-year-old!! Do YOU think the same way, as when you were 27?

LOL Wow.


I think the same way as I did when I was 27 about many things, probably most of thr big things in life tbh. Some small things I may have changed opinions on as you pick up new info with age but at 27 you are no kid, you know what you want and what you feel about the world.



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05 Jan 2017, 6:00 pm

^^ LOL That was 10 years ago----dudn't count.

I'm talkin' about 27-years-old being around THIRTY-years-ago, and I'm not the same person I was (think the same way), 30 years ago----and, I think if someone DOES / IS, that's a little sad (IMO, it would seem, then, that they haven't grown, much).


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basically, yes. i think the same way. he was an adult.

That explains alot.

Yes, he was an adult----BUT, he hadn't even been married the FIRST time, yet; and, I'm thinking 3 wives, 5 kids, and 8 grandkids (IIRC), changes a person / their thinking; and, I'm thinking he grew in other ways, as well (as I'm thinking most people do----it's been over 40, for him, since 27).

As for my supporting PE Trump: I didn't even support him with my vote----I AM, however, supporting what I feel is logic; and, saying someone is the same person they were 40+ years ago (thinks the same way), doesn't seem logical to me, as I'M not the same person (don't think the same way), as I was when I was 27.


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a tenet of psychology is that the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Well, I am not a supporter of any -ology being an exact science----and, IMO, that's a CROCK (future / past behavior)----and, I'm thinking the average American isn't aware of that "tenet", as you say; and, I'm really glad they aren't, because it seems it would be a hindrance to them ever trying to do better / BE better (a better person).

You're telling me, that because some psychologist(s) sucked this outta their thumb, that no one has the chance of growing, changing, reforming, etc.----that, IMO, is BEYOND sad (that people's chances are taken-away from them).





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05 Jan 2017, 7:05 pm

cc, in what ways have you changed? so, you don't like science - i'm not surprised.



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05 Jan 2017, 7:08 pm

Sorry OP, but you are delusional.


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05 Jan 2017, 8:00 pm

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cc, in what ways have you changed? so, you don't like science - i'm not surprised.

Well, I'm quite sure I'm not gonna put any part of my life story on a public forum, where I'm debating someone (only, if I thought my story could help someone)----but, suffice it to say, that, IMO, I am living Joni Mitchell's song "Both Sides, Now".

When I was 18, I felt I should've been at least 40, as I felt like I had lived at least 3 lifetimes, by then, because of all the things I had experienced / had happened, in my life (NON-Aspie-related)----then, when I was 27, I thought that I was "all that and a bag of chips"----but, STILL, I hadn't experienced the things, that I've experienced in, say, the last 18 years; and, I'm thinking that if I live, say, another 30 years, I can imagine my looking-back at myself, at THIS age, and thinking: "HA----you THOUGHT you knew!!".

Where did I say I didn't like science? I LOVE science----can't get enough of it----I just don't think that any ONE thing provides THEE answer; and, as much as my tons of books are, pretty much, quite sacred to me, I don't think life is IN a book (ie., I'd be more inclined to take the word of someone who had LIVED a situation, than I would take the word of someone who had STUDIED a situation / issue / whatever).





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