Autism Research is evil and should be banned!

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02 Jul 2018, 1:41 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

So, you think that your not believing in military service makes your desire for totalitarian thought-control any less a fascist idea?

I don't want totalitarian thought control. I want hate speech laws, and criminalize speeches that discriminates disabled people (autistics included), or because of ethnicity, skin colour etc.

One might regard this as thought control, and maybe it is. But it is not totalitarian thought control and it definitely is not fascist.

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02 Jul 2018, 1:49 pm

You yourself has stated that you don't think the idea of criminalizing certain THOUGHTS is necessarily evil. I don't think you comprehend the logical conclusion of the things you propose.

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02 Jul 2018, 1:53 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:

... I don't want totalitarian thought control...

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Autism Research is evil and should be banned!

Banning the free inquiry into any one line of research IS thought control -- controls the thinking of the scientists (a common Fascist practice).

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02 Jul 2018, 1:56 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

You yourself has stated that you don't think the idea of criminalizing certain THOUGHTS is necessarily evil. I don't think you comprehend the logical conclusion of the things you propose.

Maybe not, and I also do realize I was wrong on this. I haven't mentioned it earlier, I'll mention it now.

I believe in anti hate speech laws. I don't want criminalizing thoughts. Btw. it can't possibly be done. You can't screen any thoughts of individuals. It would be a total surveillance state. I don't want that.

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Banning the free inquiry into any one line of research IS thought control -- controls the thinking of the scientists (a common Fascist practice).

The scientists can think all they want. But they shouldn't be given public tax money to conduct their anti-autism research.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:02 pm

You may not want a cure, but there's plenty of us who do. I don't think the cure should be forced on anyone who doesn't want it, but it should be provided for people who do. I am one of those people. Now really, I'd rather have a cure for OCD/OCPD, but a cure for autism would make things a lot easier for me.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:03 pm

Have you considered that people who may want treatments or evena cure also pay taxes?

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02 Jul 2018, 2:04 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:

The scientists can think all they want. But they shouldn't be given public tax money to conduct their anti-autism research.

Ahh ... now THAT makes sense! If they want research money, then they should get it from Big Pharma instead of Big Government.

That way, Big Government has no say in the methodologies or the applications of the research, and a free and open market is supported!.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:07 pm

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The problem is that if they ever invent a cure, it will most certainly be forced on anyone doesn't want it, too.

If there is some way to make a guarantee from say World Health Organization and the UN and perhaps the individual nations as well (I know their guarantees are not worth much, but anyway) and the scientists inventing the cure explicitly states that the cure should never be forced upon anyone who doesn't want it, I'll be fine with them finding a cure.

But so long as we have nations like Denmark and Sweden which do not care about ethics in regards to social benefits, I don't hope they find a cure. Ever.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:09 pm

Don't know where you are, but I am in Sweden, and while it's hardly perfect I don't see that happening.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:11 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

Don't know where you are, but I am in Sweden, and while it's hardly perfect I don't see that happening.

As far as I know Sweden has tougher rules on social benefits than Denmark. And in Denmark, one can be forced into everything from risky surgeries to ECT if they wish to keep their social benefits.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:17 pm

If it isn't happening to Wolfram----and he's a certified nut

Then it most certainly won't happen to you.

This seems to be an "in theory" sort of proposition. In theory, perhaps, if you don't take a treatment, they can cut off benefits. In practical terms, probably not so much.

We, in the US, don't have to submit to treatments-----but, in the near future, many benefits recipients will probably have to work off at least part of their benefits.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:18 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:

As far as I know

I think this is the part you should consider more carefully.

They're strict on you finding some from of a job if you can work, and you should be doing what you can to improve your condition. But they can't force risky procedures on you against your will. They're obtuse and bureaucratic, but they're not evil. I've been holding down a part-time job and partial early pension for the better part fof ive years now. I doubt they're going to force brain surgery or something on me on the off-chance that I'll be able to work more.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:32 pm

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If it isn't happening to Wolfram----and he's a certified nut

Then it most certainly won't happen to you.

This seems to be an "in theory" sort of proposition. In theory, perhaps, if you don't take a treatment, they can cut off benefits. In practical terms, probably not so much.

We, in the US, don't have to submit to treatments-----but, in the near future, many benefits recipients will probably have to work off at least part of their benefits.

It is not only in theory. The law, at least in Denmark, is used practically too. They force people to ECT. They still force people to undergo risky treatments in general.

There are many different types of benefits, but for permanently disabled (including some autistics) there is Flexjob (part time work for benefits - down to 20 minutes/week if you can improve working hours in the future) and disability pension (with voluntary/paid jobs too).

The disability pension is almost gone. They want to force people to work whatever they are capable of, no matter if it is one or 20 minutes a week. And they have no ethics in regards to force the recipients through risky medical procedures. They're evil.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:34 pm

Where exactly are you getting this information?

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02 Jul 2018, 2:36 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:

Where exactly are you getting this information?

I live in Denmark. I can read the law texts - and the news.

In regards to Sweden, the Danish Employers Organization always points to your country - Sweden - for inspiration on how to be even more cruel against disabled people.

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02 Jul 2018, 2:43 pm

I'm sure that's a verbatim quote...did they perchance also twirl their mustaches?

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