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Hollywood_Guy
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02 Aug 2018, 10:35 pm

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I have no problem with local communities wanting to condemn those who destroy the peace and say horrible things about a group. That example of somebody saying "I HATE autistics!" for example was disturbing the peace and inciting public anger too.

I don't think the central or top-level of an entire country should have this.


Do you believe someone should be legally punished for saying "I hate autistic's"? or any other group?


I really think local communities should decide whether or not to punish or condemn somebody who says this type of stuff out loud in the streets where everybody can hear him. In that case, he incited public disturbance.



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02 Aug 2018, 10:42 pm

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I have no problem with local communities wanting to condemn those who destroy the peace and say horrible things about a group. That example of somebody saying "I HATE autistics!" for example was disturbing the peace and inciting public anger too.

I don't think the central or top-level of an entire country should have this.


Do you believe someone should be legally punished for saying "I hate autistic's"? or any other group?


I really think local communities should decide whether or not to punish or condemn somebody who says this type of stuff out loud in the streets where everybody can hear him. In that case, he incited public disturbance.


That's oppression. You do realise that Autists are more likely to offend people and thus more likely to be victims of these laws.



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04 Aug 2018, 11:14 am

Daniel89 wrote:
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Daniel89 wrote:
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I have no problem with local communities wanting to condemn those who destroy the peace and say horrible things about a group. That example of somebody saying "I HATE autistics!" for example was disturbing the peace and inciting public anger too.

I don't think the central or top-level of an entire country should have this.


Do you believe someone should be legally punished for saying "I hate autistic's"? or any other group?


I really think local communities should decide whether or not to punish or condemn somebody who says this type of stuff out loud in the streets where everybody can hear him. In that case, he incited public disturbance.


That's oppression. You do realise that Autists are more likely to offend people and thus more likely to be victims of these laws.


Yes I am. But still, I would find it pretty sick for someone to shout directly hateful things in the open public. Online is one thing, but another different subject.



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10 Aug 2018, 1:19 pm

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- It was found that using the n-word is always a racist hate crime, regardless of context (I am confident that this judgement could be overturned in another case)


Even when black people use it? I don't think that'll go down very well.

Exactly!

It's bad enough that you're damning artistic works and defence lawyers (literally - the defence lawyer was told not to say the word in court) but this effectively criminalises thousands of young black people who are doing nothing wrong!


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Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Daniel89 wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
I have no problem with local communities wanting to condemn those who destroy the peace and say horrible things about a group. That example of somebody saying "I HATE autistics!" for example was disturbing the peace and inciting public anger too.

I don't think the central or top-level of an entire country should have this.


Do you believe someone should be legally punished for saying "I hate autistic's"? or any other group?


I really think local communities should decide whether or not to punish or condemn somebody who says this type of stuff out loud in the streets where everybody can hear him. In that case, he incited public disturbance.


I really don't think you've thought this through. Suppose a "local community" decided collectively that some particular minority group was to blame for the ills that have befallen them lately...?


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10 Aug 2018, 5:41 pm

The US should have the same laws against Nazism and Confederates that Germany has. They're vile scum and they should be treated like it.



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12 Aug 2018, 10:42 pm

Depends on the severity, just like all crimes. It should be judged just as any other case would be, but racial, sexual or ableist motivation should tip the scales a little (not in the prosecution, but in the sentencing / time served).


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The term "Hate Crime" labels a PC concept imposed on the legal system by left-leaning SJWs, and should therefore be abolished.


Not really. If somebody is beaten for being of African descent as an example, they not only face the ramifications of the physical assault but also of the demeaning humiliation. On top of this, if it is racially aggravated (as in this case), this shows a more deeply ingrained necessity to harm people simply because of their skin colour. This needs to be taken into consideration in the sentence.