Page 3 of 3 [ 48 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,581

28 Dec 2019, 4:42 pm

Fnord wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
I have a problem with any religion that requires women to wear head-coverings and/or treats them like second class citizens (or less)...
Is being treated as "arm candy" equally appalling?

Image


Close! :P


_________________
“The darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.”
— from Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot


Persephone29
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Jun 2019
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,406
Location: Everville

28 Dec 2019, 11:33 pm

I find Christianity and Islam to be very similar, here's why:

When observed correctly, they can both be very rewarding.

When observed fanatically they are equally as radical.

I think they have both met their match in each other.


_________________
Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I hate you, it just means we disagree.

Neurocognitive exam in May 2019, diagnosed with ASD, Asperger's type in June 2019.


Bradleigh
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 May 2008
Age: 35
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,669
Location: Brisbane, Australia

29 Dec 2019, 12:04 am

I think that any religion taken to an extreme can be a problem, a society run by a religion with some archaic beliefs can be especially a problem if it pushes people down. For that reason I separate out countries that might have Islam as a part of what controls it, to the faith itself. I don't like the idea of girls or boys being treated, forced to do something or pushed into bias views. At the same time am aware of not everyone is forced and well rounded people can come out of it. I fully respect if an adult Muslim woman can make the choice if she might choose to wear a Hijab, and feel compelled to tell such women that it be their choice, not a family member, and not strangers giving them a hard time, especially if they can respect other people to choose not to.

It is not like Christian led societies don't have their own weird hang ups, that it would be hypocritical to criticise another beliefs without questioning the ones in your own. To my understand Sharia law also requires that they follow the laws of the land that they are in, and the majority of Muslim people I have seen follow that well. I believe the world will be a better place if people of all beliefs be treated fairly unless they hurt someone, showing that people out of those beliefs can be cool people.


_________________
Through dream I travel, at lantern's call
To consume the flames of a kingdom's fall


RetroGamer87
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,185
Location: Adelaide, Australia

29 Dec 2019, 1:23 am

If someone genuinely believes they can gain infinit reward and avoid infinit punishment, they'll be willing to do anything.


_________________
The days are long, but the years are short


Metal Rat
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 6 Sep 2019
Age: 53
Posts: 222

29 Dec 2019, 9:40 am

:roll:

Bradleigh wrote:
I think that any religion taken to an extreme can be a problem, a society run by a religion with some archaic beliefs can be especially a problem if it pushes people down. For that reason I separate out countries that might have Islam as a part of what controls it, to the faith itself. I don't like the idea of girls or boys being treated, forced to do something or pushed into bias views. At the same time am aware of not everyone is forced and well rounded people can come out of it. I fully respect if an adult Muslim woman can make the choice if she might choose to wear a Hijab, and feel compelled to tell such women that it be their choice, not a family member, and not strangers giving them a hard time, especially if they can respect other people to choose not to.

It is not like Christian led societies don't have their own weird hang ups, that it would be hypocritical to criticise another beliefs without questioning the ones in your own. To my understand Sharia law also requires that they follow the laws of the land that they are in, and the majority of Muslim people I have seen follow that well. I believe the world will be a better place if people of all beliefs be treated fairly unless they hurt someone, showing that people out of those beliefs can be cool people.

:roll: Then, one must wonder why Muslim men rape women, in other countries!



Bradleigh
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 May 2008
Age: 35
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,669
Location: Brisbane, Australia

29 Dec 2019, 10:30 am

Metal Rat wrote:
:roll: Then, one must wonder why Muslim men rape women, in other countries!


Unlike the Christian men?
I don't know where you think I said everyone of a particular religion are without "sin", that they even all necessarily follow their religion's rules.

Or are you actually trying to say all Muslim men are rapists?


_________________
Through dream I travel, at lantern's call
To consume the flames of a kingdom's fall


Biscuitman
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Mar 2013
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,674
Location: Dunking jammy dodgers

29 Dec 2019, 11:31 am

Little difference between Islam and Christianity. Benefits to following either if you do so in a sensible modern day fashion, big negatives if you abuse either or missuse them.



TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,581

29 Dec 2019, 11:34 am

Bradleigh wrote:
Metal Rat wrote:
:roll: Then, one must wonder why Muslim men rape women, in other countries!


Unlike the Christian men?
I don't know where you think I said everyone of a particular religion are without "sin", that they even all necessarily follow their religion's rules.

Or are you actually trying to say all Muslim men are rapists?


It’s probably a bigger problem among Muslim men given their views of women and various inadequate laws in Islamic countries that fail to protect women.


_________________
“The darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.”
— from Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot


Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,952
Location:      

29 Dec 2019, 11:36 am

Biscuitman wrote:
Little difference between Islam and Christianity. Benefits to following either if you do so in a sensible modern day fashion, big negatives if you abuse either or missuse them.
How often do Christians fly planes into buildings? How often do Christians wear explosive suicide vests in crowded marketplaces? How often do Christians cut the hands off of men caught in thievery? How often do Christians flog or behead women caught in adultery?


_________________
The mere fact that science may not yet adequately explain an object, event, or experience does not mean the immediate explanation should automatically default to a conspiratorial, extraterrestrial, paranormal, or supernatural cause.


TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,581

29 Dec 2019, 11:40 am

I think this is an interesting issue worthy of its own thread - the presence of political correctness extending to protect obviously problematic religious beliefs and tenets.


_________________
“The darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.”
— from Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot


TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,581

29 Dec 2019, 12:05 pm

Another scripture from the Quran 4:34 (“Women”):

“Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them.”

In the beginning of this thread, I quoted a scripture that condones marital rape. This scripture encourages physical abuse and obedience. Probably a lot of Muslim women who don’t experience these things are still going to feel like they aren’t worth a whole lot since these teachings are from a pivotal Islamic text.


_________________
“The darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.”
— from Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot


Metal Rat
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 6 Sep 2019
Age: 53
Posts: 222

29 Dec 2019, 4:07 pm

Biscuitman wrote:
Little difference between Islam and Christianity. Benefits to following either if you do so in a sensible modern day fashion, big negatives if you abuse either or missuse them.

Neither Christianity nor Judaism, in their purest form, are all that different that Islam.



Metal Rat
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

Joined: 6 Sep 2019
Age: 53
Posts: 222

29 Dec 2019, 4:08 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
Metal Rat wrote:
:roll: Then, one must wonder why Muslim men rape women, in other countries!


Unlike the Christian men?
I don't know where you think I said everyone of a particular religion are without "sin", that they even all necessarily follow their religion's rules.

Or are you actually trying to say all Muslim men are rapists?


It’s probably a bigger problem among Muslim men given their views of women and various inadequate laws in Islamic countries that fail to protect women.

Good point, Twilightprincess!



Bradleigh
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 May 2008
Age: 35
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,669
Location: Brisbane, Australia

29 Dec 2019, 7:35 pm

For one, I separated those of the Islamic faith out from countries that have following the faith as part of their country's law, because I think that the country's law having archaic principals from thousands of years ago treated like a law is the problem. I am on the side that there are deep problems in those countries, and people who may have only recently migrated may still hold problematic views.

And second, you realize that the regular bible says that women are first properties of their father, and then become properties of their husbands, right? There are a bunch of horrible beliefs against women in it. If you think that is not really in practice anymore by any Christian people, you haven't seen the videos I have on people who actually believe it. A particular channel I have seen covered by scepticism channels have done often is someone who goes by The Transformed Wife, who preaches all kinds of scripture against her own gender, even the one about women not being aloud to preach.


_________________
Through dream I travel, at lantern's call
To consume the flames of a kingdom's fall


TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,581

29 Dec 2019, 8:40 pm

Bradleigh wrote:
For one, I separated those of the Islamic faith out from countries that have following the faith as part of their country's law, because I think that the country's law having archaic principals from thousands of years ago treated like a law is the problem. I am on the side that there are deep problems in those countries, and people who may have only recently migrated may still hold problematic views.

And second, you realize that the regular bible says that women are first properties of their father, and then become properties of their husbands, right? There are a bunch of horrible beliefs against women in it. If you think that is not really in practice anymore by any Christian people, you haven't seen the videos I have on people who actually believe it. A particular channel I have seen covered by scepticism channels have done often is someone who goes by The Transformed Wife, who preaches all kinds of scripture against her own gender, even the one about women not being aloud to preach.


I never said that I cared for the Bible, either, and trust me, I’m more than familiar with it. Deuteronomy 22:28, 29 are a couple of the worst scriptures in my opinion, but I could mention many others that I hate, too.

I also know and have observed that Islam tends to be more problematic. The Quran is slightly more evil than the Old Testament, but I dislike both.

Muslims also require at least a hijab on females which differs from most Bible followers.

Given my general dislike of current mainstream religion I’m starting a Goddess cult. (I’m the Goddess.) I don’t need a dull-witted “prophet” writing down things he thinks I’ve said. I’ll take care of that myself.

Now where did I put that bundle of white sage...


_________________
“The darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.”
— from Four Quartets by T.S. Eliot


Biscuitman
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Mar 2013
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,674
Location: Dunking jammy dodgers

30 Dec 2019, 4:41 am

Different sides of the same coin