Are anti-maskers, covid deniers etc. like suicide bombers?

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27 Oct 2020, 1:20 am

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You can call us brats, psychopaths, or whatever labels you want. It's all meaningless to me. Why should I care about the opinions of a bunch of germophobic leftists? Just like I can say that I believe pro-mask people are meddling, paranoid, tyrannical communists who believe whatever propaganda the government pitches without question. They are annoying in the extreme. I wear a face shield to avoid harassment from the paranoid loonies, but that's all. Where it's not required by law, I will not wear one. I don't agree with it and don't support it, nor do I give a crap about the virus. It will eventually go away, just like the 1918 flu pandemic and 2009 H1N1. I just hope they get a vaccine soon so the cry babies can shut up about it and we can go back to something approaching a normal life. Not that I'll be getting any vaccines.



The great thing about reality is that in hindsight, everyone will know what was real and what was the government-fabricated lie spun up to sow division.

They sure will. But we may disagree on what that will be. I guess we'll see :wink:


I’m curious. You don’t seem stupid or reckless. Why don’t you believe that COVID-19 is a serious illness and that wearing a mask can help prevent the spread of the disease? Why? This is a serious question. You can PM me the answer if you don’t want everyone else here to see. I am so curious.



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27 Oct 2020, 8:15 am

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I think there was a study done basically saying masks are pretty much useless because they're not protective enough as virus particles are much smaller than the materials of the masks.

Like if it was actually protective you wouldn't be able to smell anything through it. If you want a mask that actually does something then go buy an industrial full face one.


We are talking about a virus transmitted via droplets.
Corona is “airborne via droplets”, and some small droplets can hang in the air for hours; but not airborne via wind like measles.



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27 Oct 2020, 8:27 am

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You can call us brats, psychopaths, or whatever labels you want. It's all meaningless to me. Why should I care about the opinions of a bunch of germophobic leftists? Just like I can say that I believe pro-mask people are meddling, paranoid, tyrannical communists who believe whatever propaganda the government pitches without question. They are annoying in the extreme. I wear a face shield to avoid harassment from the paranoid loonies, but that's all. Where it's not required by law, I will not wear one. I don't agree with it and don't support it, nor do I give a crap about the virus. It will eventually go away, just like the 1918 flu pandemic and 2009 H1N1. I just hope they get a vaccine soon so the cry babies can shut up about it and we can go back to something approaching a normal life. Not that I'll be getting any vaccines.



The great thing about reality is that in hindsight, everyone will know what was real and what was the government-fabricated lie spun up to sow division.

They sure will. But we may disagree on what that will be. I guess we'll see :wink:


I’m curious. You don’t seem stupid or reckless. Why don’t you believe that COVID-19 is a serious illness and that wearing a mask can help prevent the spread of the disease? Why? This is a serious question. You can PM me the answer if you don’t want everyone else here to see. I am so curious.

I don't like my freedom being taken away.
I don't like having to hide my identity by covering my face. It takes a part of who I am away. It destroys my self-expression. I dislike the way masks look. It's too mainstream. I always question authority and deliberately defy rules that don't benefit me or those I care about.
I am almost positive that no one I care about would die or get seriously ill from this disease. So confident I'm willing to bet my life on it.
The death rate for this disease is very low, close to 1%. Much lower than many other diseases or behaviors such as driving. As a person with a degree in the sciences I rely on statistics not sentimentality. "Serious" to me is a disease that kills at least 20% of those infected.
I had two grandparents die of dementia. I loved them but I think they are better off dead than living in the degrading state that they were in for years before they died. So are many in nursing homes.
The world is overpopulated. Diseases are a way to control the population through survival of the fittest.
The vast majority of the people who die of the virus are either already critically ill or are at or past their life expectancy. Everyone dies eventually and I don't see a need to preserve everyone's life indefinitely. If the human population continues to grow unchecked, there will only be more death through disease and shortage of resources. It may be a long time from now, but it will happen. I strongly believe that this planet would be better off with FAR fewer humans. People say this is "cruel", but that is a subjective term.
I have a question for you - why haven't we been wearing masks for years, if we are so afraid of sickness, to protect against things like flu and other viruses? Even with vaccines people still die. Not quite as many as with corona but thousands nonetheless.
I suppose the risks to me and others don't justify the loss of freedom and individuality that come with wearing a mask.
But that is my opinion. People who support this kind of thing seem just as insane to me as I seem to to you.


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27 Oct 2020, 8:31 am

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malavois wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
You can call us brats, psychopaths, or whatever labels you want. It's all meaningless to me. Why should I care about the opinions of a bunch of germophobic leftists? Just like I can say that I believe pro-mask people are meddling, paranoid, tyrannical communists who believe whatever propaganda the government pitches without question. They are annoying in the extreme. I wear a face shield to avoid harassment from the paranoid loonies, but that's all. Where it's not required by law, I will not wear one. I don't agree with it and don't support it, nor do I give a crap about the virus. It will eventually go away, just like the 1918 flu pandemic and 2009 H1N1. I just hope they get a vaccine soon so the cry babies can shut up about it and we can go back to something approaching a normal life. Not that I'll be getting any vaccines.



The great thing about reality is that in hindsight, everyone will know what was real and what was the government-fabricated lie spun up to sow division.

They sure will. But we may disagree on what that will be. I guess we'll see :wink:


You're right about that. Sadly even 'The Lost Cause' still has it's sympathizers who lie in it's defence. They're objectively wrong, but they certainly still exist.

No cause is lost. That is only your wishful thinking.


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27 Oct 2020, 8:32 am

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I don't like my freedom being taken away.
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The world is overpopulated.
How do you feel about seat belts in cars? Do you wear one? Isn't that taking away your freedom and helping to keep the world overpopulated?



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27 Oct 2020, 8:33 am

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'Reopen South Florida' holds mask-burning ceremony in response to re-extended mask mandate
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The re-extension of Palm Beach County's facial covering directive is being called "medical tyranny" by some opponents who took to the streets Saturday afternoon in Delray Beach to display their frustrations and demand their reinstated freedoms.

Chris Nelson, lead organizer of the "Reopen South Florida" rally, points to the county's mortality rate that has fallen.

"What we're seeing right now is a dangerous precedent," Nelson said. "If they can tell me that I cannot buy or sell anything without a mask on, they can tell me that I can't buy or sell without proof of a vaccine, that I took a vaccine, and it could go on and on."

Even still, "Reopen South Florida" marched for blocks down Atlantic Avenue to the song "We're Not Gonna Take It" by Twisted Sister in a display of opposition.

The nonpartisan march comprised of people in various professions.

"Probably half of the medical doctors and (doctors of osteopathic medicine) that are against the research, that have no clue why we're in lockdowns, that are against quarantining, and there are about 50% that are for it," Dr. Matt McNabb said.

The march ended with a mask-burning ceremony at the Delray Beach Pavilion. But people like Pasquale Catania still worries the mask debate has too much political influence.

I wish I could have gone to that.


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27 Oct 2020, 8:40 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:
malavois wrote:
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malavois wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
You can call us brats, psychopaths, or whatever labels you want. It's all meaningless to me. Why should I care about the opinions of a bunch of germophobic leftists? Just like I can say that I believe pro-mask people are meddling, paranoid, tyrannical communists who believe whatever propaganda the government pitches without question. They are annoying in the extreme. I wear a face shield to avoid harassment from the paranoid loonies, but that's all. Where it's not required by law, I will not wear one. I don't agree with it and don't support it, nor do I give a crap about the virus. It will eventually go away, just like the 1918 flu pandemic and 2009 H1N1. I just hope they get a vaccine soon so the cry babies can shut up about it and we can go back to something approaching a normal life. Not that I'll be getting any vaccines.



The great thing about reality is that in hindsight, everyone will know what was real and what was the government-fabricated lie spun up to sow division.

They sure will. But we may disagree on what that will be. I guess we'll see :wink:


I’m curious. You don’t seem stupid or reckless. Why don’t you believe that COVID-19 is a serious illness and that wearing a mask can help prevent the spread of the disease? Why? This is a serious question. You can PM me the answer if you don’t want everyone else here to see. I am so curious.


The world is overpopulated. Diseases are a way to control the population through survival of the fittest.


Yikes.

Don't pretend to care about disabled people then use lines like that.

My mother could've died of a disease aged 29. She still has the disease. The NHS keeps her alive.

She is less of a 'useless eater' than I am. She helps disabled children through a middle class job.

What you are advocating is eugenics.


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27 Oct 2020, 10:02 am

KT67 wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
malavois wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
malavois wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
You can call us brats, psychopaths, or whatever labels you want. It's all meaningless to me. Why should I care about the opinions of a bunch of germophobic leftists? Just like I can say that I believe pro-mask people are meddling, paranoid, tyrannical communists who believe whatever propaganda the government pitches without question. They are annoying in the extreme. I wear a face shield to avoid harassment from the paranoid loonies, but that's all. Where it's not required by law, I will not wear one. I don't agree with it and don't support it, nor do I give a crap about the virus. It will eventually go away, just like the 1918 flu pandemic and 2009 H1N1. I just hope they get a vaccine soon so the cry babies can shut up about it and we can go back to something approaching a normal life. Not that I'll be getting any vaccines.



The great thing about reality is that in hindsight, everyone will know what was real and what was the government-fabricated lie spun up to sow division.

They sure will. But we may disagree on what that will be. I guess we'll see :wink:


I’m curious. You don’t seem stupid or reckless. Why don’t you believe that COVID-19 is a serious illness and that wearing a mask can help prevent the spread of the disease? Why? This is a serious question. You can PM me the answer if you don’t want everyone else here to see. I am so curious.


The world is overpopulated. Diseases are a way to control the population through survival of the fittest.


Yikes.

Don't pretend to care about disabled people then use lines like that.

My mother could've died of a disease aged 29. She still has the disease. The NHS keeps her alive.

She is less of a 'useless eater' than I am. She helps disabled children through a middle class job.

What you are advocating is eugenics.

No, just natural selection. People will die of diseases no matter what we do. And you said "could have died". She also "could have" survived. Just because a "high risk" person catches the virus it doesn't mean they are going to die. Most young disabled people probably would survive it. Most older high risk people survive it. I just see the level of risk to the majority of people as acceptable with this virus. That is low. Just like driving a car. It could kill me or others, but the level of risk is low, therefore acceptable. We all have our own opinions on how high a level of risk is acceptable.


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27 Oct 2020, 10:07 am

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AspiePrincess611 wrote:
I don't like my freedom being taken away.
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The world is overpopulated.
How do you feel about seat belts in cars? Do you wear one? Isn't that taking away your freedom and helping to keep the world overpopulated?

I have always worn a seatbelt. It's not a new thing. I've done it all my life. I don't think the government should be allowed to force adults to wear seatbelts. That should be a personal choice. I've actually heard of cases of people being killed by seatbelts in car accidents. I just don't want any new restrictions on my liberty.


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27 Oct 2020, 10:13 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:
KT67 wrote:
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malavois wrote:
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malavois wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
You can call us brats, psychopaths, or whatever labels you want. It's all meaningless to me. Why should I care about the opinions of a bunch of germophobic leftists? Just like I can say that I believe pro-mask people are meddling, paranoid, tyrannical communists who believe whatever propaganda the government pitches without question. They are annoying in the extreme. I wear a face shield to avoid harassment from the paranoid loonies, but that's all. Where it's not required by law, I will not wear one. I don't agree with it and don't support it, nor do I give a crap about the virus. It will eventually go away, just like the 1918 flu pandemic and 2009 H1N1. I just hope they get a vaccine soon so the cry babies can shut up about it and we can go back to something approaching a normal life. Not that I'll be getting any vaccines.



The great thing about reality is that in hindsight, everyone will know what was real and what was the government-fabricated lie spun up to sow division.

They sure will. But we may disagree on what that will be. I guess we'll see :wink:


I’m curious. You don’t seem stupid or reckless. Why don’t you believe that COVID-19 is a serious illness and that wearing a mask can help prevent the spread of the disease? Why? This is a serious question. You can PM me the answer if you don’t want everyone else here to see. I am so curious.


The world is overpopulated. Diseases are a way to control the population through survival of the fittest.


Yikes.

Don't pretend to care about disabled people then use lines like that.

My mother could've died of a disease aged 29. She still has the disease. The NHS keeps her alive.

She is less of a 'useless eater' than I am. She helps disabled children through a middle class job.

What you are advocating is eugenics.

No, just natural selection. People will die of diseases no matter what we do. And you said "could have died". She also "could have" survived. Just because a "high risk" person catches the virus it doesn't mean they are going to die. Most young disabled people probably would survive it. Most older high risk people survive it. I just see the level of risk to the majority of people as acceptable with this virus. That is low. Just like driving a car. It could kill me or others, but the level of risk is low, therefore acceptable. We all have our own opinions on how high a level of risk is acceptable.


Do not speak to me again unless you have a change of heart as to how you see people with diseases.

PS her lifelong deafness and bad back were not caused by coronavirus but by a different disease
PPS You would have deprived a 9 yo of a mother with this attitude.


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27 Oct 2020, 10:17 am

There have been many people "with diseases" who have helped mankind evolve through various means----like inventions, new ideas, new philosophical notions, many things.

There have been many instances where convalescence from disease has resulted in somebody coming up with great things.



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27 Oct 2020, 10:26 am

KT67 wrote:
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KT67 wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
malavois wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
malavois wrote:
AspiePrincess611 wrote:
You can call us brats, psychopaths, or whatever labels you want. It's all meaningless to me. Why should I care about the opinions of a bunch of germophobic leftists? Just like I can say that I believe pro-mask people are meddling, paranoid, tyrannical communists who believe whatever propaganda the government pitches without question. They are annoying in the extreme. I wear a face shield to avoid harassment from the paranoid loonies, but that's all. Where it's not required by law, I will not wear one. I don't agree with it and don't support it, nor do I give a crap about the virus. It will eventually go away, just like the 1918 flu pandemic and 2009 H1N1. I just hope they get a vaccine soon so the cry babies can shut up about it and we can go back to something approaching a normal life. Not that I'll be getting any vaccines.



The great thing about reality is that in hindsight, everyone will know what was real and what was the government-fabricated lie spun up to sow division.

They sure will. But we may disagree on what that will be. I guess we'll see :wink:


I’m curious. You don’t seem stupid or reckless. Why don’t you believe that COVID-19 is a serious illness and that wearing a mask can help prevent the spread of the disease? Why? This is a serious question. You can PM me the answer if you don’t want everyone else here to see. I am so curious.


The world is overpopulated. Diseases are a way to control the population through survival of the fittest.


Yikes.

Don't pretend to care about disabled people then use lines like that.

My mother could've died of a disease aged 29. She still has the disease. The NHS keeps her alive.

She is less of a 'useless eater' than I am. She helps disabled children through a middle class job.

What you are advocating is eugenics.

No, just natural selection. People will die of diseases no matter what we do. And you said "could have died". She also "could have" survived. Just because a "high risk" person catches the virus it doesn't mean they are going to die. Most young disabled people probably would survive it. Most older high risk people survive it. I just see the level of risk to the majority of people as acceptable with this virus. That is low. Just like driving a car. It could kill me or others, but the level of risk is low, therefore acceptable. We all have our own opinions on how high a level of risk is acceptable.


Do not speak to me again unless you have a change of heart as to how you see people with diseases.

PS her lifelong deafness and bad back were not caused by coronavirus but by a different disease
PPS You would have deprived a 9 yo of a mother with this attitude.

I would not be depriving anyone of anything. That would be nature/God/fate. They can indeed be cruel. Even if corona had never existed, do you know how many children around the world lose their parents to various diseases, accidents, or violence? Many millions. I never said that people with disabilities or illness should not be treated. That is ludicrous. I just mean that the risk of death from coronavirus is very low for everyone, even those with disabilities. Some will die, but there is no way to stop everyone in the world from dying from everything and we probably shouldn't be doing that anyway, due to overpopulation. If people would stop reproducing we could all be immortal but that's not going to happen. So some death, sad to say, is necessary.


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27 Oct 2020, 10:30 am

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There have been many people "with diseases" who have helped mankind evolve through various means----like inventions, new ideas, new philosophical notions, many things.

There have been many instances where convalescence from disease has resulted in somebody coming up with great things.

Yes, I agree. Sometimes, "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger".


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27 Oct 2020, 10:35 am

Sorry for my love to numbers and graphs but I find the graph of week-by-week deaths from all causes in New York City quite telling:
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No way this spike were only the people who would soon die anyway.


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Sorry for my love to numbers and graphs but I find the graph of week-by-week deaths from all causes in New York City quite telling:
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... deaths.htm

No way this spike were only the people who would soon die anyway.

I disagree. It could have just sped up the inevitable for people who had months or at most a few years. And it's still a tiny fraction of the total population.


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27 Oct 2020, 10:48 am

Everyone's death is inevitable.
So, by this logic, every serial killer walking out there is only speeding the inevitable.
Should we not worry about serial killers? Their impact on population is negligible.


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