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30 Nov 2020, 3:22 pm

Oh okay. Well in my experience it's not really a difference between women and men that makes a difference. In the factory environment I worked in for years, everyone hated everyone and they bullied each other. But the women were just as bad as the men for doing this, and I didn't notice one being worse than the other.

In the current office job I have where everyone is a lot nicer, the women and men ratio is about the same, and everyone is nice, and there doesn't seem to be one gender nicer than the other. So in my experience, the genders have been equal, and it seems to be more about the environment, rather than the gender. But that's my experience.



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30 Nov 2020, 3:36 pm

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Depends on what blue collar job it is. The trades often pay very well. Metal fabrication, welding, electrical work, pipe work and you also seem to get paid more for the crappier environment.
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Same here in Australia, blue collar workers such as builders, plumbers and electricians get paid better than most white collar workers.



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02 Dec 2020, 2:46 am

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Also, sending a kid off to college to be something other than a farmer, veterinarian, people-doctor, or some other farm-oriented profession was considered wasteful and "uppity" -- a child lost to a non-farm profession meant that the farm might not last long enough to hand down to the grand-children.  Family labor was cheap!

Actually, if the family is big enough, it is necessary to send at least some of the kids off to somewhere, because the farm won't be big enough to support all the grand-children. (My mother grew up on a farm and went to college.)


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03 Dec 2020, 1:53 am

This assumes that all rural areas are predominantly white. That is incorrect.

Here are some examples:

Alabama's "Black Belt", in the south-central part of the state, south of Birmingham and Montgomery, but north of Mobile and Gulf Shores. "Black Belt" refers to both the color of the soil and to the region being predominantly African-American.

The Mississippi Delta region, the area along the river between Jackson, MS and Memphis. (predominantly black)

The Rio Grande Valley of Texas. (predominantly Hispanic)

The southernmost portions of New Mexico and Arizona. (predominantly Hispanic)

Most of Alaska (predominantly indigenous people)

Buffalo, Oglala Lakota, Todd and Ziebach counties in South Dakota (predominantly indigenous people). These are among the poorest counties in the U.S.


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03 Dec 2020, 1:52 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
This assumes that all rural areas are predominantly white. That is incorrect.

Here are some examples:

Alabama's "Black Belt", in the south-central part of the state, south of Birmingham and Montgomery, but north of Mobile and Gulf Shores. "Black Belt" refers to both the color of the soil and to the region being predominantly African-American.

The Mississippi Delta region, the area along the river between Jackson, MS and Memphis. (predominantly black)

The Rio Grande Valley of Texas. (predominantly Hispanic)

The southernmost portions of New Mexico and Arizona. (predominantly Hispanic)

Most of Alaska (predominantly indigenous people)

Buffalo, Oglala Lakota, Todd and Ziebach counties in South Dakota (predominantly indigenous people). These are among the poorest counties in the U.S.

You're right about not all rural areas are white, but did you know majority of Hispanic and Latino populations in the USA are white? You can check out the demographics of the Census and it'll have "White alone" aka white regardless of ethnicity. Also, most Jews in America are also from Europe, either Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews.



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03 Dec 2020, 3:30 pm

Depends on the country tbh.

I'm kind of surprised America has non-white majority villages but I feel like I shouldn't be surprised at that. It's just because of how the media represents it.

I'd be surprised if there were non-white majority villages in Europe or non-black majority villages in Africa for eg. Nothing much changes in such villages is my point. I would be surprised if the Windrush generation affected British villages much, especially compared to places like London.


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04 Dec 2020, 3:30 am

Well it was mentioned that rural people are conservatives because they are not as use to outside world, but like liberals, don't they want socialized health care for example? Even if they are not use to it, or perhaps phobic, it's still saving a lot of money isn't it? So why aren't they for that, or so it seems they are not?



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04 Dec 2020, 3:54 am

Vermont is another example of a rural and liberal area.


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04 Dec 2020, 4:15 am

ironpony wrote:
Well it was mentioned that rural people are conservatives because they are not as use to outside world, but like liberals, don't they want socialized health care for example? Even if they are not use to it, or perhaps phobic, it's still saving a lot of money isn't it? So why aren't they for that, or so it seems they are not?


The ones I know told me that my mother breaking her back and being in hospital for a week was a 'waste of NHS resources' :x She literally had to re-learn how to walk so if that's an NHS waste of resources, I'd love to know what a good way to spend the resources is... :roll:

I think in general they favour having an NHS but not for anything which doesn't directly benefit them. They'd be shocked if they were told to pay.

I think the American ones might not be in favour of an NHS.

Essentially, what I found from people in a village was they like what they know and fear what they don't. And old people in villages think they have the last word on history even if they don't study it, so they'll say 'it was always that way in the past' when it's only been 'that way' for a couple of centuries or less.


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04 Dec 2020, 2:53 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well it was mentioned that rural people are conservatives because they are not as use to outside world, but like liberals, don't they want socialized health care for example? Even if they are not use to it, or perhaps phobic, it's still saving a lot of money isn't it? So why aren't they for that, or so it seems they are not?


This is not exactly on target, but in my experience, people from rural areas tend to blend in much better in cities than people from cities blending in rural areas.

Most people have seen enough on tv to have some idea of urban living. Their expectations may not be all that accurate, but it is not that difficult to adapt.

If you really want to see people out of place, look at city people in the country. Sure, I know a few (very few) who made the transition from a bit city to rural life, but most stick out like a sore thumb, at least for a while.

For example, when I had just graduated from high school, my cousins from the big city had moved up here. Two of them were high school boys and one of their first acts was to have a head-on collision with each other in a field that covered half a square mile and they were the only ones there.

About that time, I went over to a pasture one day to pick up a stock tank to move it to another location and they went with me. When we got out and walked up to the tank, they started to bend over to stick their fingers under the tank to lift it up. Fortunately, I stopped them just in time and for once, they listened to me. I walked around to the other side of the tank and dragged it back a couple of feet. Within six inches of where they were getting ready to reach underneath to pick up the tank were three rattlesnakes. If they had stuck their fingers down like they started to do, one or both would have been bitten on their fingers very quickly.

Also, in the summertime, we would be working on the farm in the summertime and would generally see other people only on Sundays. That drove them bananas.



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04 Dec 2020, 8:14 pm

Are rural people conversative in other cultures as well? For example in a country like say China, for example, would it be the same way, that the more rural you are, the more conservative you are?



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04 Dec 2020, 10:18 pm

Rural people, as in those who work farms and ranches, are self reliant hard working individuals, so they're likely to have conservative views.



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04 Dec 2020, 10:34 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Rural people, as in those who work farms and ranches, are self reliant hard working individuals, so they're likely to have conservative views.


They are also easily brainwashed, Self-reliance and hard work doesn't automatically mean you must carry backward views about foreigners or poor people.



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04 Dec 2020, 10:46 pm

It's been said liberals are easily brainwashed as well. Conservatism isn't about backward views about foreigners or poor people. Rural communities consist of immigrants and rural people are not known for being rich.



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04 Dec 2020, 11:07 pm

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Rural communities consist of immigrants and rural people are not known for being rich.


Both of these are incorrect. Some of the wealthiest people are farmers and a disproportionate number of immigrants choose to live in urban areas (the exception are on guest workers on foreign visas who pick fruit or other jobs locals won't do in rural areas since unemployment is higher in rural areas).



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04 Dec 2020, 11:43 pm

If farmers were rich Farm Aid wouldn't exist. The San Joaquin Valley in California, which has been called the breadbasket of the world, has a high percentage of immigrant citizens.