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What is your religious belief?
Christian 52%  52%  [ 24 ]
Atheist 26%  26%  [ 12 ]
Other 22%  22%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 46

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02 Sep 2023, 10:27 pm

Never heard of that


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02 Sep 2023, 11:16 pm

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I remember cute passages in the Qu’ran which said that Allah is all-merciful and all-loving but if you have one thought out of line you’ll burn in Hell for all eternity.

I’m paraphrasing, but that seemed to be the general idea.

I bought a copy of the Bhagavad Gita in Reno some years ago, thinking it might be interesting, and different from the Abrahamic religions' "holy" texts.

I got into it a bit, and found it interesting, but yep, I eventually found the Hindu version of the seemingly nearly-universal "Kill the Infidels!" sentiment.

What's a dogma got goin' for it without serious smiting, after all!

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03 Sep 2023, 1:55 am

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^ I read it all the way through a couple times. I’ll never get those hours back… :cry:

What did you think of it?


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03 Sep 2023, 2:05 am

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Of course, the Old Testament is just as bad. The New Testament isn’t without its issues, but I find it to be the least offensive Abrahamic work.


I'll add it to my reading list then.
Maybe I'll look for an illustrated children's version so I don't mix up the characters.


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03 Sep 2023, 2:12 am

I chose other, like I am athiest...but also satanist, as us satanists do not actually believe in Satan, we just see him as a positive symbol. I mean sure when I first abandoned christianity it took me time to get to where I am now and for a time I figured god and satan were real and I'd rather choose satan because I honestly felt alienated from god due to being female and other stuff too. so I figured better to reign in hell than serve in heaven....granted if that stuff was for real I might modify it to I'd rater serve in helll then serve in heaven, since idk if I am really the reigning type, but either way seemed better to serve in hell than in heaven. But at some point I realised the other option is none of that is real and it makes the most sense.....like sure fantizing about some after life can be a fun brain exercise but realistically it probably does not exist. And maybe god and jesus were just as fake as santa, the leprechaun and easter bunny I was sad when I found out but for sure it just further encouraged me to wonder if in that case also god isn't real...turns out very likey that god is in fact not real...so also satan is not real and it's all just a bunch of mythology.

But basically I was a christian in the past and now I am not.


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03 Sep 2023, 7:35 am

Even though I don't believe in him, I'm firmly on Team Satan. He wanted Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. He doesn't commit atrocities.

I agree with Richard Dawkins:

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“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

Satan is pretty nice in comparison. I wouldn't want to worship a god like that. I wouldn't follow or obey a similarly corrupt leader. Satan did the right thing by rejecting him. People shouldn't blindly obey tyrannical, absolute authority without question.


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03 Sep 2023, 7:37 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
^ I read it all the way through a couple times. I’ll never get those hours back… :cry:

What did you think of it?

I enjoyed parts of it from a literary standpoint but found most of it is underwhelming.

The Song of Solomon is pretty cool. What's not to like about erotic poetry?

My favorite Bible verse:

"Your breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies" Solomon 4:5


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03 Sep 2023, 8:08 am

What's not to love about gazellian breasts?


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03 Sep 2023, 9:55 am

Former Episcopalian.Now a Buddhist/Pagan.
I’ve read the whole Bible, twice.The Bhagavad-Gita , which I enjoyed, attempted Book of Mormon ,but it was too dull, Dhammapada , Koran, and other Buddhist texts.


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03 Sep 2023, 10:39 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
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The Book of Mormon was written for Mormons by John Smith. It’s not relevant outside of Mormonism. No other Christian religion follows it. It was nothing to do with the framework of Christianity. It was written in the 19th century. Much of it borrows from the King James Version of the Bible, but some of it gets pretty far out there.

NonChristian societies often have similar values in terms of what’s considered right and wrong.


It was published by Joseph Smith in 1830.

It does take a lot from the King James bible in terms of its structure and narrative, and the Latter Day Saints, who The Book of Mormon is for, follow the idea of Jesus Christ as a saviour, so I don't see how it doesn't share some of the framework of Christianity? At least the new testament part of the bible, anyway.

I would say the religion is an off-shoot of traditional Christianity, updated for 19th century North America.

It's my understanding that Smith drew heavily from Freemasonry, which was a very big deal 200 years ago, especially in upstate NY where all this happened. Interestingly, college fraternities also arose in upstate NY in the same era and were also heavily influenced by Freemasonry. Upstate NY had a lot of commercial and cultural activity in those days. After the US lost the War of 1812, the Erie Canal became one of the most Important bits of infrastructure to link the US to Canada.


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03 Sep 2023, 11:47 am

Joseph Smith was himself a Freemason.

In fact he had a special whistle Freemasons were supposed to blow to summon other Freemasons if they are in danger. And he blew it once when mobs were attacking he and his flock once.



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03 Sep 2023, 12:46 pm

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Joseph Smith was himself a Freemason.

In fact he had a special whistle Freemasons were supposed to blow to summon other Freemasons if they are in danger. And he blew it once when mobs were attacking he and his flock once.


^ Didn't Joseph Smith die from a mob breaking into the prison where Joseph Smith was being held in, in 1844? Or are you referring to a different mob attack?


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03 Sep 2023, 12:46 pm

MaxE wrote:
blitzkrieg wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
The Book of Mormon was written for Mormons by John Smith. It’s not relevant outside of Mormonism. No other Christian religion follows it. It was nothing to do with the framework of Christianity. It was written in the 19th century. Much of it borrows from the King James Version of the Bible, but some of it gets pretty far out there.

NonChristian societies often have similar values in terms of what’s considered right and wrong.


It was published by Joseph Smith in 1830.

It does take a lot from the King James bible in terms of its structure and narrative, and the Latter Day Saints, who The Book of Mormon is for, follow the idea of Jesus Christ as a saviour, so I don't see how it doesn't share some of the framework of Christianity? At least the new testament part of the bible, anyway.

I would say the religion is an off-shoot of traditional Christianity, updated for 19th century North America.

It's my understanding that Smith drew heavily from Freemasonry, which was a very big deal 200 years ago, especially in upstate NY where all this happened. Interestingly, college fraternities also arose in upstate NY in the same era and were also heavily influenced by Freemasonry. Upstate NY had a lot of commercial and cultural activity in those days. After the US lost the War of 1812, the Erie Canal became one of the most Important bits of infrastructure to link the US to Canada.


Interesting. I didn't know Joseph Smith was a freemason!


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03 Sep 2023, 12:58 pm

He was a polygamist who had up to 40 wives.

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Most of Smith’s wives were between the ages of 20 and 40, the essay says, but he married Helen Mar Kimball, a daughter of two close friends, “several months before her 15th birthday.” A footnote says that according to “careful estimates,” Smith had 30 to 40 wives.


https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/us/i ... wives.html

A strange person to be God’s spokesperson in my opinion. Perhaps he wrote the Book of Mormon to suit his preferences.


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03 Sep 2023, 1:10 pm

The BoM says that people shouldn’t have multiple wives or concubines BUT:

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Jacob went on to qualify that law, saying that plural marriage is justifiable but only when God commands it. “Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes. For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things” (Jacob 2:29–30). As Latter-day Saint researcher Brian Hales commented, “The Nephite prophet Jacob reiterates a commandment given to his father Lehi establishing monogamy as the rule and polygamy as only a divinely commanded exception.”


https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/ ... zed,2%3A32–33).

An impossible-to-prove deity apparently gave him an impossible-to-prove command - how convenient. :roll:

Their stance on polygamy is why they were viewed poorly by other Christian denominations in the 19th century.


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03 Sep 2023, 2:50 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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As TwilightPrincess has said, the term Christian is an umbrella term for any Christian denomination, including Catholicism & Protestantism.
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Thats my point.

Thats what is SUPPOSED to mean obviously- all Christians are "Christians". But in modern America its often used to mean only Protestant Evangelical.


And their are Catholics and Orthodox, who think Protestants are going to burn.

The reality is, that their is, and can only be, one Church, because there is only one Christ, but that Church is comprised of everyone who belongs to Jesus whatever worldly church organisations they are members of.

That's why we are called Christians. We follow Christ.

Anglican, Lutheran, Catholic, Orthodox, these are all groups of Christians who got distracted by disputes, I am a Christian, because I'm saved by Jesus Christ of Nazareth all glory to his holy name.

It wasn't the pope or the patriach who shed his blood for me, it was Jesus Christ of Nazareth.