sightings of "energies"

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And you can remain closed to what is outside
the limited view of perceptions and overly
simplistic logic, but that doesn't mean that
the unreal isn't more valuable.

There are energies which are visible, and those which aren't.
One can't rely on sight alone.

Moreover, I'd argue that as long as we LIMIT OURSELVES
to being in this reality, your post is correct. But, if there is
otherness, we need not. And if there isn't, we can make it.

If I were in that position, I would take my kid to a psychiatrist for an exam - the main concern would be to determine if there was an indentifiable disturbance or risk of self-harm or harming others.

Ah, but your metaphor does not apply. We can all agree that cars and engines and radiators are objective phenomena, and that either the fan belt broke and caused a problem, or it didn't.

When we speak of hypothetical things that science can't identify and measure, then there is no objective standard for claiming expertise. How can your Christian beliefs be proven to be more 'real' and helpful than the ideas of Hindusim or some other religion? The Hindus might offer a meditation practice or an herb that actually helps, while Chrisitianity seems mostly to offer dogma and psychoreligious rituals.

I agree with your statement and wish I could get my son to understand. I know there are things in this world that we will probably never understand, see, or experience. And that doesn't mean there aren't those out in the world who can see. BUT--this is the reality that will give him a future, and money, and friends. I know sometimes it seems cruel and foreign (us NTs think so too!), but I like living and experiencing everything about it!. Thanks for letting me rant!!

Anyway, We talked and I still don't know how involved this all is. It may be a delusion(very cool to be demon spawn at 17), or just a way of explaining why he is so different. I have tried to get him to look at Wrong Planet, but he won't (probably because I suggested it). Will keep all informed.

joshsmom4

I thank you for your opinions very much, but want to say I'm sorry that you seem so closed minded to all the possibilities of the world. A hundred years ago, IPODs would have been seemed as if made by aliens. no one would have imagined men in space, cars that break the sound barrier, and Ghost Whisperer being one of the most popular shows on TV (let alone TVs, or screens no larger than a picture frame).

Whoever or whatever may be framing our meager existence in this vast universe surely doesn't want us to huddle in fear of what we don't understand, but (like a true StarTrek fan) boldly go where no one has gone before.

I will always choose to be bold and go forward (even if it is a disaster) rather than give up or be afraid.

joshsmom4

Probably calandale would be the one causing all these troubles, you naughty boy, when would you leave those poor teenagers alone?

You have a point there, although to some degree, if people from hundreds of years ago see a lot of things we have today, they would assume to be a result from witchcraft and magic and things like that. You have to take in to consideration that a lot of deseases and psychiatric disorders were considered to be demon possesions in those days.

This was actually the best advise on this thread:

As said here, even if you believe in this stuff, this should be the last thing on your mind, and the best thing is to try to come up with many possible medical explanations as possible AT FIRST.


Yes, but being careful if the end could be disastrous, for jumping in to a wrong choice or judgement before analizying it first.

I like Star Trek as well, it seems that in the 24th century, the earth no longer follow any superstition at all, and choose science and technology over it, according to TNG

close minded? because there's no proof?


whatever. like i said, you can believe in magic all you want. i'll wait for proof. it's okay, i'm patient.

There is no proof of anything.

You take certain standards on faith.

I take others.

that's a lame copout that people use to justify their religious views.


there is proof of a lot....that's why we have science and math. because it's been proven. that doesn't mean that things can't be refined or redefined as more evidence is found. that's what evolution is....a live theory that is constantly being refined as more information is found and determinded both from archeology and from genetics and the decoding of the human genome.

My powers have extended here too?

Crappies.

Proven FROM certain axioms, in the case of math.
Nothing proven, in the case of the natural sciences.
Nothing at all.

And, since axioms are mere assumptions, mathematics
too is based upon faith. Just as logic is.

i'm not impressed by your weak attempt debating semantics.

Personally,I have semi-rational explanation of your son's experience.
First of all I think that his believes that these 'energies' are Demons are probably based on his cultural and religious influences.

I would said that these thing are indeed hallucinations,if I didn't had similar experiences.

Couple of years ago,I was quite interested in meditation techniques and started to read "Yoga Sutra" by Patanjali and "Discovering of higher worlds" by Rudolf Steiner.
Steiner's works is based mostly on "Yoga Sutra".
Now,Yoga in original was not some stupid relaxation technique,but method of achieving experience of 'true' or 'divine' reality.
Most of these methods are based on focusing and concentration of mind and senses.

In most vulgar form these methods are next:
1.Focusing of body (Asana)
2.Focusing of breath (Pranayama)
3.Focusing of thoughts (Pratyahara)
4.Focusing of mind (Djana)
5.Annihilation of ego (Samadhi)...or the goal of Yoga meditation.

Number 4 and 5 are the most difficult,and for achieving so one must use some material object to focus its attention..and this is mostly some 'holy object' or picture (mostly mandala),and repeating one word over and over again (mantra,or prayer).
I was able to go to only to level 4,and during this strong concentration object (picture) started to became surrounded by a cloud of light.
After this phenomenon I lost my concentration..and thus ended my session.
But that day I have gone further in Yoga then ever before.

In Steiner's book he advice this techniques,for seeing 'spiritual entities' of nature,or 'fairies'.
This I considered quite interesting,and I tried to focus my attention on flower in the forest.
After 15 minutes,I was able to fully focus just on flower alone,and to eliminate all my thoughts and perception of anything besides flower.
Again I saw cloud of light surrounding the flower,but again I was not able to maintain my attention for long time,so I was not able to fully see the shape of this 'cloud'.
This was not an optic phenomenon,since the color of this 'cloud' was very different from flower and its surroundings.



Now,to return to your son...
Since Aspies have obsessive minds and are able to focus their attention to various kinds of objects,I believe that your Son possibly can do the same as I did.
Off course,he probably have much stronger concentration and focus,and probably is talented for achieving such experiences.
Therefore I believe that this has something to do with AS.


P.S

I'm not sure if these phenomena are existing in objective sense,or if they are just projection of our minds on objective reality.
But I believe that either way they exist,since I experienced them.
And I never used any drugs...or other substances.
I experienced these things only when I was focused enough,during meditations.In regular life I don't see any 'things'.

Reality encompasses by definition, what is real, there can't be anything outside of it except for what is not real, in other words imaginary, until it can be considered real it should be considered imaginary. Take for example an Ouija Board which some people will tell you works, well if you spend even a little bit of time Googling you'll find websites that say otherwise, there are a lot of things that are supposedly supernatural and a lot of them have been disproven.

But hey, if you want to keep believing in things with no reason at all that's fine by me, don't see why you'd be open to Science if you've rejected the Scientific Method so far though.

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