Should Muslims be persecuted?

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07 Sep 2007, 11:32 am

My view is a lot of Muslims need to be reeducated, and have their eyes opened to the real world. The backwards religion needs sorting out and modernising. That said, I view them as misguided people who need to wake up, rather than people who need to be persecuted.

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07 Sep 2007, 11:35 am

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sadistic is offering free ham outside a synagogue.

you don't have to live with immoral people, you can separate yourself from society and live in isolation. it's not easy but it's been done and can still be done (look up about survivalists).

with regards to your rewording of pascal's wager....it's assuming that "salvation" exists but there is no such proof salvation exists and there's less and less proof every day as miracles don't happen anymore since we can actually explain the miracles and pick out the hoaxes. faith healers are as impotent as they ever were but now there's real medicine and biological studies to really help people instead of the the fake/faith healing that those charlatans do.

my old neighbors were muslims and they were awesome guys and really open about discussing their religion with me and my roommate. they never threatened us or anything and generally accepted us as is as atheists. they didn't agree with our choice but agreed on the point of wanting a better world first and foremost. alot more accepting than the christians here whining about persecution and yet they don't even know what real persecution is other than rosey stories of the christian martyrs.

as far as claiming to be with immoral people...immoral how? and what makes you the one to declare what is moral or not? get off your highhorse and back to the real world, jerk.

Ska, there are less extreme Christians as well, there are less extreme muslims like you pointed out here. But, there are extremist Christians (those in the conservative party who are trying to pass law and legislation around their beliefs), and there are extremist muslims.
There is little difference from an extremist Christian and an extremist Muslim, the only major difference is that Christian extremists have more checks and balances stopping them from blowing up buildings (those checks and balances have been being systematically removed by the Bush administration).
Extremist religion is the threat, always has been, and until something is done about it, it always will be.

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07 Sep 2007, 12:36 pm

Hadron wrote:

No offence, but that's a very sweeping statement you've just made. Care to back it up?

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07 Sep 2007, 12:58 pm

Pascal's wager is worthless. The silly Frenchman started with the assumption that there is only 1 religious idea, and its negation. There are many religions - why start and stop with the one you already believe in or the one you were born into? Start with Hindusim, and apply it all the gods. Then Shinto. Then each and every law of Judaism or Islam. Since Pascal rigged the risk/benefit to accept religion, you will find that you must believe each and every religious belief that you encounter, or risk whatever they threaten non-believers with.

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07 Sep 2007, 1:05 pm

My view is a lot of Christians need to be reeducated, and have their eyes opened to the real world. The backwards religion needs sorting out and modernising. That said, I view them as misguided people who need to wake up, rather than people who need to be persecuted.

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07 Sep 2007, 1:12 pm

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You do know that I am an Atheist dont you.

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07 Sep 2007, 1:15 pm

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You do know that I am an Atheist dont you.

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07 Sep 2007, 1:22 pm

*yawns*

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07 Sep 2007, 1:54 pm

the way most people use atheism, you'd think it was a religion in itself. It's certainly got it's fanatics.

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07 Sep 2007, 3:05 pm

Why do people always lump gays in with religious groups? Christians choose to despise homosexuality based on religious beliefs. But gays don't choose to be gay. Homosexuality not a belief system!

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07 Sep 2007, 3:10 pm

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Why do people always lump gays in with religious groups? Christians choose to despise homosexuality based on religious beliefs. But gays don't choose to be gay. Homosexuality not a belief system!

Well if you are gay and religious you are screwed !

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07 Sep 2007, 4:06 pm

rideforever wrote:

EatingPoetry wrote:

Why do people always lump gays in with religious groups? Christians choose to despise homosexuality based on religious beliefs. But gays don't choose to be gay. Homosexuality not a belief system!

Well if you are gay and religious you are screwed !

Fortunately I am not religious.

Gay and Republican is also a difficult combination!

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07 Sep 2007, 4:16 pm

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Fortunately I am not religious.

Are you a midnight cowboy ?

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07 Sep 2007, 4:28 pm

Should all muslims be persecuted ? you must be out of your god damn mind.

Wisewoman: Hail Edmund, lord of Adders Black.
Edmund: Hello.
Wisewoman: Step no nearer, for already I see thy bloody plan.
Edmund: No, no, no, no. I have a problem far worse than that. I'm in love with my butler Bob.
Wisewoman: Oh well, I'd sleep with him if I were you.
Edmund: What?
Wisewoman: When I fancy people, I sleep with them. Oh, I have to drug them
first of course! Being so old and warty.

Edmund: But what about my position, my social life?
Wisewoman: Very well then. Three other paths are open to you. Three cunning plans to
cure thy ailment.
Edmund: Oh good.
Wisewoman: The first is simple. Kill Bob!
Edmund: Never.
Wisewoman: Then try the second. Kill your self!
Edmund: Neu. And the third?
Wisewoman: The third is to ensure that no-one else ever knows.
Edmund: Ha, that sounds more like it. How?
Wisewoman: Kill everybody in the whole world. Ah, ha, ha ...
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07 Sep 2007, 4:29 pm

rideforever wrote:

EatingPoetry wrote:

Fortunately I am not religious.

Are you a midnight cowboy ?

Well, probly lol!

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07 Sep 2007, 10:08 pm

Well, he could be a Toorak Cowboy, but for that 2 things would have to happen; i) he would have to come from Toorak (which is a suburb near Melbourne) and ii) he would have to be a cowboy. Also, he would have to have heard of Skyhooks, the Aussie band from the 70s.

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