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10 May 2008, 4:25 am

Cease and desist, AspieZach.


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10 May 2008, 8:19 am

This thread is just ethical and I don't really like at because you people don't have any clue what it was like to be almost wipe out by a mad man and his followers. I do because my dad's of the family was killed in the Holocaust by Hitler for racial differences. If this continues some person from Israel will find this thread maybe laugh a bit but it can offense to Jewish in the short and long run if continue.


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10 May 2008, 9:19 am

JerryHatake wrote:
This thread is just ethical and I don't really like at because you people don't have any clue what it was like to be almost wipe out by a mad man and his followers. I do because my dad's of the family was killed in the Holocaust by Hitler for racial differences. If this continues some person from Israel will find this thread maybe laugh a bit but it can offense to Jewish in the short and long run if continue.


Oh shut up. Have you ever heard of Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus?

Everyones religion has been persecuted - and still is in a lot of areas in the world. Get off your high horse.


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10 May 2008, 10:43 am

AspieZach wrote:
JerryHatake wrote:
This thread is just ethical and I don't really like at because you people don't have any clue what it was like to be almost wipe out by a mad man and his followers. I do because my dad's of the family was killed in the Holocaust by Hitler for racial differences. If this continues some person from Israel will find this thread maybe laugh a bit but it can offense to Jewish in the short and long run if continue.


Oh shut up. Have you ever heard of Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus?

Everyones religion has been persecuted - and still is in a lot of areas in the world. Get off your high horse.


That is very rude of you to say to me.


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10 May 2008, 10:49 am

JerryHatake wrote:
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This thread is just ethical and I don't really like at because you people don't have any clue what it was like to be almost wipe out by a mad man and his followers. I do because my dad's of the family was killed in the Holocaust by Hitler for racial differences. If this continues some person from Israel will find this thread maybe laugh a bit but it can offense to Jewish in the short and long run if continue.


Oh shut up. Have you ever heard of Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus?

Everyones religion has been persecuted - and still is in a lot of areas in the world. Get off your high horse.


That is very rude of you to say to me.


No its not, its pointing out that while Jews have been persecuted in recent times, Jewish themselves have persecuted others, including mass murders and executions based on religion. Face the facts.


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10 May 2008, 11:01 am

AspieZach wrote:
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JerryHatake wrote:
This thread is just ethical and I don't really like at because you people don't have any clue what it was like to be almost wipe out by a mad man and his followers. I do because my dad's of the family was killed in the Holocaust by Hitler for racial differences. If this continues some person from Israel will find this thread maybe laugh a bit but it can offense to Jewish in the short and long run if continue.


Oh shut up. Have you ever heard of Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus?

Everyones religion has been persecuted - and still is in a lot of areas in the world. Get off your high horse.


That is very rude of you to say to me.


No its not, its pointing out that while Jews have been persecuted in recent times, Jewish themselves have persecuted others, including mass murders and executions based on religion. Face the facts.


So they didn't went as far as mass genocide to one's religion. Also the Romans did it to Jews and Christians alike.


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10 May 2008, 12:59 pm

My last name is found in the Sephardim communities. I doubt I'm Jewish though.

If I am, I'd be a mamzer.

Oh well, shalom to all.



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10 May 2008, 1:30 pm

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This thread is just ethical and I don't really like at because you people don't have any clue what it was like to be almost wipe out by a mad man and his followers.



you don't either. quit living vicariously through your relatives' stories and playing the victim.

and i think you mean unethical. or simply, just stupid.


and i repeat: pull all funds to israel. that was a social experiment gone horribly wrong.



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10 May 2008, 1:38 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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This thread is just ethical and I don't really like at because you people don't have any clue what it was like to be almost wipe out by a mad man and his followers.



you don't either. quit living vicariously through your relatives' stories and playing the victim.

and i think you mean unethical. or simply, just stupid.


and i repeat: pull all funds to israel. that was a social experiment gone horribly wrong.


Can you bare the fact that you lost some of your family's history to a mad man and his followers? I'm not a victim but my dad is. Yeah this an unethical and stupid thread in the first place as well. Wish this thread was locked by now.


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10 May 2008, 1:49 pm

If you realized , Israel has the right to exist and they do pay back the money for our aid to them. Its also shows that Muslims, Christians and Jews are well capable to get along. The Palatines are not smart which is why no one will support them or give them foreign aid because of their hatred towards Israel.


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10 May 2008, 1:57 pm

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If you realized , Israel has the right to exist and they do pay back the money for our aid to them. Its also shows that Muslims, Christians and Jews are well capable to get along. The Palatines are not smart which is why no one will support them or give them foreign aid because of their hatred towards Israel.



israel was created from the spoils of WWI by the brits at the behest of lord rotheschild. it was little more than a social experiment that never materialized until after world war II. israel doesn't belong in the region and does not fit into what the area was pre-brittish occupation (the brits screwing up another part of the world, nothing new here).

i question israel's right to exist because it was little more than a penstroke for someone back in 1917 and it's obviously much more now. not to mention on top of that various israel policies that are questionable. one of the worst is the idea of right of return. no religion should define government policy and right of return is just that...some over-romanticized idea of a homeland that was cooked up some 120 or so years ago by some pushy jerk in europe (theodore hertzel).

i've lost a lot of my family to a lot of different reasons. it doesn't make it any easier or harder how it happened. and judging by how old you are, you weren't even around for it and most likely knew little more than stories. meaning: you're no anne frank, quit pretending that you are and over-dramatizing.



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10 May 2008, 2:11 pm

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you're no anne frank, quit pretending that you are and over-dramatizing.


I'm telling the truth. My dad's side of the family in the present Czech Republic were killed by Hitler. If I'm over-dramatizing about this harsh fact of lost family to the Nazis then you are making a statement against me and my perspective. That is ok but saying the state of Israel shouldn't exist is a bad mistake of understanding because the UN was trying to prevent the Holocaust from happening again and Jews were forced out of the homeland by who other than the Palatines themselves.


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10 May 2008, 2:38 pm

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you're no anne frank, quit pretending that you are and over-dramatizing.


I'm telling the truth. My dad's side of the family in the present Czech Republic were killed by Hitler. If I'm over-dramatizing about this harsh fact of lost family to the Nazis then you are making a statement against me and my perspective. That is ok but saying the state of Israel shouldn't exist is a bad mistake of understanding because the UN was trying to prevent the Holocaust from happening again and Jews were forced out of the homeland by who other than the Palatines themselves.



the UN had little to do with the creation of israel other than the finalization process at the end and it has nothing to do with preventing another holocaust. preventing another holocaust would have been giving them land where they aren't taking other people's land from them where most of the region is very xenophobic anyways.

israel was little more than a story in history books until the balfour declaration where the UK announced its intent to create a jewish homeland. it's little more than a failed social experiment that is more of danger to society today than any benefits that could have possibly been reaped. i think the people who want safety should be moved out and given nice homes elsewhere and the people who want to stay will have to figure out how to co-exist with their neighbors without the bullying arm of the US involved in the process.

your father's tragedy is very sad and should not be forgotten and should not be downplayed. but it is also NOT justification for the creation of israel and the maintaining of such a failed idea and experiment. if anything, it creates more enmity in the world and encourages a potential repeat of the horrific tragedies your father's families experienced at the hands of the nazis. i could go into the whole thing but the region basically needs to be re-integrated back into normal society first before such an experiment as israel could really start to exist peacefully in such a region. it'd be like a mixed couple living in 1910 jackson mississippi. except everytime a burning cross is lit, there's retaliation against the racists that affect innocent people related in some way to the racists (like bombing entire areas or placing landmines near schools). it only serves to create more enmity and can't even start to get rid of the racist ideals impressed by amin al-husseinni.