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Let me put it this way: there's nothing you can read or learn or intellectualize that will "give" you faith. Faith comes from the inside-out, not the outside-in. The fact of a person's faith has nothing to do with conscious thought. It is not a function of the analytical mind. It's beyond thought. It comes from a different place.

That just sounds like indoctrination. Your faith is beyond question, because you have been taught since birth to never question it.

I was a Christian, you know. I could no longer continue the cognitive dissonant charade at about 16 or 17. I was finally able to give up my religion entirely at 18. I have gone on to form my own opinions about the universe. I have had religious experiences, but I am now able to see them for what they were. The power of suggestion made simple, everyday occurrences visitations from angels.

G'day Malsane good to see your flaping avatar again, long time no read

Slowmutant are you sure that faith does not come from within, I read an article in New Scientist regarding an area of the brain that was far more active in God believers than Atheists. Do you accept the possibility that faith is due to a hyperactive are of the brain

It is good to see your Babel Fish as well, DentArthurDent.

You know for a fact that your faith is not a result of your upbringing? You are Catholic? You were raised Catholic, and magically have found that the religion of your birth is the right one? That sounds fishy to me. I know that my indoctrination was why I had faith. Those formative years really matter, and when religion is fed to small children, it's nearly impossible to separate it all out in your head later. Even as a Christian I recognized the unlikeliness that I was born, by chance, into the correct religion. However at the time, I was unable to recognize that it just seemed to be true because I was believing so hard.

if science were rushing to meet God, wouldn't there be some evidence of him by now? What it looks like is that you're looking at science, and coming up with a way for that to support your beliefs, even when it doesn't. You're forcing the evidence.

I did not know, but that does not really negate the point. You tried one religion for a while before reverting back to your native belief. It just screams indoctrination. You can't prove that your feelings are not a result of indoctrination. So far, you're not even convincing me slightly. I'm likely less convinced as I have been through all of that before. Of wanting to believe, seeing 'proof' of your religion everywhere, in one giant bout of confirmation bias. My faith was implanted in me from when I was a wee child. I fervently felt it, but it was still an illusion.

^ An extreme example of this is the Amish, they raise their kids in absolute fear of God, then when they are 16 these naive and brainwashed kids are set loose without any restrictions into mainstream society, naturally many of them fall into an orgy of drug taken and amoral behaviour and come running back to the community with all the teachings of the big bad world confirmed. The Amish claim this is giving the kids a choice, BS it is a well orchestrated piece of cynical manipulation

I am not obliged to convince you of anything.