Do you believe that conservatives are alive?

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Awesomelyglorious
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26 Feb 2009, 12:15 am

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I quite agree that everyone should have a basic sense of confidence in themselves to sustain themselves but the concept that everyone is special is an oxymoron.

Absolutely an oxymoron, but once you point out the problem, then people are upset that they are not among the special.



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26 Feb 2009, 12:37 am

This is where words can't describe the feeling of self-reliant confidence properly.
To say someone is special insinuates that others are not special. It is a fact that individuals are unique though. Just look at your fingerprints.



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26 Feb 2009, 12:43 am

Magnus is my new hero. :D



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26 Feb 2009, 1:01 am

Aww...much love to you Legato. Nobody can tell you who you are except yourself.



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26 Feb 2009, 7:24 am

And I wouldn't wish to be anyone else. I hope you all feel the same way. Hell, we can't change it, so why not make the best of what we got? After all, this is the only life we know for certain that we do have... so live!

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26 Feb 2009, 9:35 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Sand wrote:
I quite agree that everyone should have a basic sense of confidence in themselves to sustain themselves but the concept that everyone is special is an oxymoron.

Absolutely an oxymoron, but once you point out the problem, then people are upset that they are not among the special.


We may not be special, but we are unique.

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26 Feb 2009, 12:26 pm

I'm seeing two psychologists. I had bad experiences with psychologists, psychiatrists, and therapists in the past. My school's counseling center had to turn me down because they said I'm too messed up for them. So I went a few years without seeing anyone. But recently I found two psychiatrists who are more helpful than any new age BS has ever been. One is a psychiatrist intern at the University. He's new, which is good. Because he's not worn out by the whole grind and has a fresh perspective which has been very productive. The other psychiatrist is from private practice, but vocational rehab pays for my appointments with him and all my medication I get are free samples provided by the pharmaceutical company (fyi, pharmaceuticals provide free meds for people who can't afford it, contrary to popular belief. They're not completely evil and selfish). My psychiatrists' help is much more productive than the false/empty promises new agers gave me.

re: being special. I began to realize how contradictory the whole "special" lie is that I've been told my whole life. I realized that I'm special, just like everyone else, thus totally nullifying the entire statement. I refuse to accept that. I'm not normal. In other words, I'm more special than everyone else. That's why I keep trying, because I don't want to be just another person on this planet. I need to make my mark on this world the way Leonardo and Goethe did.


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26 Feb 2009, 1:39 pm

I know the pharmaceutical companies hand out free samples to anyone in the medical field. They are the lead sales people of the drugs after all.

Medication is expensive to most people. We pay for it through our insurance companies.
If you think that this billion dollar industry really cares about you, then you really must be hallucinating again.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cefoV_A878[/youtube]

I'm not saying all medicine is evil, but you have to admit that they are not into curing people as much as they are geared to treat symptoms. When they scoff at alternative medicine that works, you have to question why they are so averse to it. If it works, it works and the safer it is the better.



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26 Feb 2009, 1:48 pm

Magnus wrote:
I know the pharmaceutical companies hand out free samples to anyone in the medical field. They are the lead sales people of the drugs after all.

Medication is expensive to most people. We pay for it through our insurance companies.
If you think that this billion dollar industry really cares about you, then you really must be hallucinating again.

I'm not saying all medicine is evil, but you have to admit that they are not into curing people as much as they are geared to treat symptoms. When they scoff at alternative medicine that works, you have to question why they are so averse to it. If it works, it works and the safer it is the better.


you have a good point, i dunno how much its been discussed here.
i often refer to a lot of medication as "shut-your-mouth pills" designed entirely to stop people from complaining about their symptoms.

medications are showered onto people, instead of spending more time and money to try to help them through consistent therapy.

the logic is simple: shrinks take craploads of money per hour. pills can be massproduced for much less money. one is expensive and slow, the other is fast and cheap.
the slow one is however more likely to help in the long run, the pills dont even last a day, which is why several pills a day are often required.

i think its a bad habit that has developed in western healthcare.



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26 Feb 2009, 2:43 pm

Strange how conservatism can switch from one thing to another when done in extremity.

Even liberals are prone to becoming conservative depening on what they percieve as "conservative" and what is "liberal".

This is why I try to stay in the middle with a preference for liberty.


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26 Feb 2009, 2:57 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
Strange how conservatism can switch from one thing to another when done in extremity.

Even liberals are prone to becoming conservative depening on what they percieve as "conservative" and what is "liberal".

This is why I try to stay in the middle with a preference for liberty.

The idea that political sentiment runs in a 2 dimensional line from Left to Right is an intentionally created falacy.

Politics is a Spectrum Disorder, much like ASDs, where you have Functioning and Non Functioning elements.

There are much more precice ways to plot political thought, starting with the standard "World's Smallest Political Quiz" to the Pournell Chart to the Hans Slom European Perspective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

There is also a school that takes the standard Left/Right linear model and connects the Left & Right ends tio form a Circle because at the outer most extremes of the scale both Left and Right become Totalitarian, with the differences in policy being largely immaterial except to those in power.


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26 Feb 2009, 5:30 pm

Alive? Yes. Lively? Usually not.



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26 Feb 2009, 8:00 pm

Magnus wrote:
I know the pharmaceutical companies hand out free samples to anyone in the medical field. They are the lead sales people of the drugs after all.

Medication is expensive to most people. We pay for it through our insurance companies.
If you think that this billion dollar industry really cares about you, then you really must be hallucinating again.

One thing that really pisses me off are preconceived notions. Right now, I'm pretty pissed off. If I know something exists and someone tells me otherwise with nothing better than a montage of half baked morons who aren't any sort of authority about pharmacology, I get real agitated. I mean, seriously, stand up comedians? They're funny and make good observations about society. But they're not a good source for any kind of objective, regimented and well reasoned argument. Besides, none of that proves that pharmaceutical companies don't provide free medicine. Here is a website to prove my point:

http://www.rxassist.org/

I'm sure there's more out there, but that's only one example.


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26 Feb 2009, 9:41 pm

Yes, there are most certainly more. And until the Fed came up with Medicare Part D my wife was recieving roughly $1500-$1800/mo in direct medical assistance from the several Pharmas that made her medicines. (She's on some spendy stuff - but it's the only thing(s) that work...)

Does bif Pharma "care"? Only in as much as any corporation cares about (A) its public image and (B) what it can write off.

But that was enough to get the meds we needed when we couldn't afford them WITHOUT gong on the Dole... which wouldn't pay for them anyway.

(With Medicare D we pay about 20% of retail once Premiums & Deductable are figured in...)


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26 Feb 2009, 9:57 pm

Spazzdog, I'd be willing to bet that you are in the medical field. Perhaps you are all popped up on samples and that is why you didn't really understand the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying the pharmaceutical industry is evil. I just think people rely on them too much. There really is no reason why you should be upset.

Why do you such a strong stance against alternative forms of healing? There are many people who claim to have been healed by such unorthodox methods. Unfortunately, these cases are just brushed aside as anomolies at best and at worst they look at the ex-patient like a wishful thinking ignoramus.

Why aren't these people being given serious attention and why isn't the placebo affect given proper investigation? The reason why is that they won't understand it, and they know it, so they won't even touch it. Does that sound like something a reasonable person would do? It sounds more like something a brainwashed person who paid too much money for school would do or someone who gets paid to peddle the drugs.



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26 Feb 2009, 10:22 pm

MrMisanthrope, but do they need to care? Who cares why they do it. It doesn't matter if you're getting what you need.

Magnus, if anyone is going to patronize me for having hallucinations, it's certainly not going to be anyone on this forum.


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