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27 Feb 2009, 8:36 am

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Barak Obama has proven his citizenship to the satisfaction of the Courts. And that is all that counts. If you don't believe his documentation that is tough. Your disbelief does not count one bit.

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27 Feb 2009, 8:44 am

People did vote for him... This is the legality, don't care where he is born or what's his official citizenship.

I ever hated some parts of the laws and mentalities, those making people in boxes : Japanese, French, Turkish, American, black, white, Jew, Christian, old, young, fat, pretty, ugly, weird, gifted, worker, job seeker and whatever they might imagine. Categories are so often conducting to forget that all people are different and have their own singularity that shouldn't be negated...


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27 Feb 2009, 9:38 am

America - the land of opportunity! Where everyone can become president. Unless they happen to be born in Canada, one meter from the American border.


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27 Feb 2009, 9:55 am

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America - the land of opportunity! Where everyone can become president. Unless they happen to be born in Canada, one meter from the American border.


Actually, that is not so clear cut. The term "natural born citizen" could allow for someone born in Canada to become a US President, provided they had a claim to US citizenship when they were born ... for example, if one or both parents were US citizens.



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27 Feb 2009, 10:16 am

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Me too jrknothead. I don't think it's too much to ask either. You ask any person running for president about their birth certificate and they'll eagerly make it available. But this is not happening with Obama.


I know this makes you feel better, and gives you something to feel outraged about. Did you know they stopped the injunction of showing dead bodies of service people coming home to Dover AFB and now the flag draped coffins are being shown hauled off the transport planes? If the families don't want specific coffins shown, they won't, but no families have asked for privacy as yet. Is that also an outrage that appeals to you?

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27 Feb 2009, 10:46 am

He does not have to make it public.

He cannot become president without the judiciary. They have verified it. They have not always sided with democrats.



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27 Feb 2009, 10:51 am

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Our forefathers had a reason for putting this requirement in the U.S. Constitution. We, the citizens, need to know the truth.


Blindly following “forefathers” has resulted in quite a bit of stupidity and lack of progress. What is this reason exactly? Just because something is old doesn't make it right.

There have been a countless American citizens that were not born in America that have contributed a lot. They might have lived in the US their whole life bar months and weeks.



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27 Feb 2009, 11:00 am

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America - the land of opportunity! Where everyone can become president. Unless they happen to be born in Canada, one meter from the American border.


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As an infant of three months, he moved with his family to a small Maine town. He lived in the town for all of his 96 years, never setting foot outside the borders of the town. When he died, his fellow-citizens put on his tombstone: “He Was Almost One of Us”.


Zenophobia, I think it's called.

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27 Feb 2009, 11:03 am

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Zenophobia, I think it's called.

With all due respect, it's "Xenophobia." Otherwise, you're spot on.

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27 Feb 2009, 11:08 am

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And if his four years ends without your definitive proof, especially if he gets re-elected, nobody will ever give a damn any more. It is not the convoluted circumstances of your birth that proves your worth. If you think so, go play lords and ladies with the brits; take a king again.


that reminds me, Fuzzy wuzzy, while the religious right ruled this fair land of mine, I knew it was going to be a trial to them because I didn't know how they were going to reconcile having Christ as "King", and all of them as 'servants' to the King, and calling their Deity "Lord" and such. I am far too much of a (SMALL d) democrat for that sort of kowtowing.

well, I guess we found out!

and Fnord, the ONE TIME I was too hurried to use my spell checker! :roll:

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27 Feb 2009, 11:24 am

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I'm ok if he was born in Iran...

Basically what I'm saying is people would be ok if Arnold became president - but apparently you can't handle the mixed breed who might actually be good for something - in the world wide aspect of things, other than to make people really mad.

We're not unbeatable, we're not protected, we're the same as everyone else on earth. If we keep making people mad.

We'll die.


these are all very universal truths, but... ive never heard an american say this, so clearly :D

norwegians dont need to say stuff like that, we KNOW "we'll die". we're 4,5 million people, if hitler decided that he hated norwegians, instead of jews, we'd be a faint dream right now :D

ive tried to _convince_ americans, that YES they CAN LOSE, at _some_ point, ANYONE can lose. "no, cus our technology - " yes yes the technology, as if nobody else has the technology, iran india and pakistan all have "the technology" by now anyway, and even if they didnt, reality stays the same.

thats what i LIKE about OBAMA is that he is a NORMAL FACE. bush was ABNORMAL. and as a non-american, it was sad and tiresome to see america represented in an abnormal way, i feel sorry for the intelligent americans, but now, with some luck, america can present itself, and be like... germany, or italy.. a normal country, not some "decadent insane empire lead by a complete moron"

i dont even see him as black, just NORMAL :D



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27 Feb 2009, 4:20 pm

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People did vote for him... This is the legality, don't care where he is born or what's his official citizenship.

Well, no. There's more to being elected than that. These kinds of laws exist for a very good reason: making sure Schwarzenegger never gets near the White House.


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27 Feb 2009, 5:51 pm

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Me too jrknothead. I don't think it's too much to ask either. You ask any person running for president about their birth certificate and they'll eagerly make it available. But this is not happening with Obama.


I know this makes you feel better, and gives you something to feel outraged about. Did you know they stopped the injunction of showing dead bodies of service people coming home to Dover AFB and now the flag draped coffins are being shown hauled off the transport planes? If the families don't want specific coffins shown, they won't, but no families have asked for privacy as yet. Is that also an outrage that appeals to you?


Aside from the fact that this is extremely off-topic, no it doesn't.

I really wish you people would stop continuing to stereotype me. Do you enjoy it when people stereotype you because of your aspies? Right. Didn't think so.


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27 Feb 2009, 5:54 pm

Aren't the children of US citizens considered automatically to be US citizens? Obama's mother was from Kansas.


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27 Feb 2009, 10:44 pm

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Me too jrknothead. I don't think it's too much to ask either. You ask any person running for president about their birth certificate and they'll eagerly make it available. But this is not happening with Obama.


I know this makes you feel better, and gives you something to feel outraged about. Did you know they stopped the injunction of showing dead bodies of service people coming home to Dover AFB and now the flag draped coffins are being shown hauled off the transport planes? If the families don't want specific coffins shown, they won't, but no families have asked for privacy as yet. Is that also an outrage that appeals to you?


Aside from the fact that this is extremely off-topic, no it doesn't.

I really wish you people would stop continuing to stereotype me. Do you enjoy it when people stereotype you because of your aspies? Right. Didn't think so.


I haven't met one person that I have talked to that even KNEW what an Aspie was before I told them, so no, I don't know anyone that has a stereotype about Aspies, let alone know if I enjoy it.

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28 Feb 2009, 1:17 am

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Aren't the children of US citizens considered automatically to be US citizens? Obama's mother was from Kansas.


any child born in the US is considered a citizen, no matter what citizenship their parents are.

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