Postapocallyptic utopia

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havent read it, nor will i. i loathe stephen king. now go be "mature" in some other thread.



yes? your point is: we need more money for everyone?
wow, why didnt i think of that before i made this thread :D:D
hurry, print up the bills! we got a solution here!

I thought you were implying that that there was a problem with the statement that most people live in a small relative portion of the earth's surface.

i wasnt, it was correct, but in my opinion, kindov irrelevant

yes, people live in small spaces, so what? filling up siberia w cities isnt an answer, theres no food, the distances are ridiculous, and such places simply cannot hold a huge population. thats why people live where they live today.

urban conglomerations are place on _geographic_ hotspots, river deltas, near natural fields, fertile ground, etc
there has never ever existed a siberian, saharan or amazonian metropolis, cus the geography wont allow it.

we are where we are. we could... level the entire amazone jungle, and live there, we'd solve one problem, but obviously create another...

Brasilia, in the middle of nowhere. A road had to be cut through the rain forest to support it.

Anywhere a road can be laid down a city can be built.

ruveyn

yes, and then what do we get? a population density that has evened out over the world, ALL our tropical rainforests cut down since you are now moving urban centres themselves INTO the jungles.

but im guessing something, we may have two different angles we're working from:
you may be looking at humanity, as what it is today. the diversity and the mass, and you consider saving humanity, saving it as it is now. i can dig that. it means french people stay french, and moroccans stay moroccan.
cultures are preserved, and our history is preserved.

from my angle, i only care about us as a species. in the long run, im not trying to preserve neither language, culture, technology or history, but nothing but the species itself. imho the diversity of today can continue existing, but sooner or later, it will become too much. will a population of 15 billion be too much? 35 billion? the future isnt supposed to end anywhere soon, so how far can we take all this?
if the human, as a species survives, i think it survives best, as a few million, in a quiet world, that has forgotten about where they all came from. there would be death and stuff, of course, but the WHOLE of it, human + nature, would be a lot healthyer together again.

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yes, and then what do we get? a population density that has evened out over the world, ALL our tropical rainforests cut down since you are now moving urban centres themselves INTO the jungles.

but im guessing something, we may have two different angles we're working from:
you may be looking at humanity, as what it is today. the diversity and the mass, and you consider saving humanity, saving it as it is now. i can dig that. it means french people stay french, and moroccans stay moroccan.
cultures are preserved, and our history is preserved.

from my angle, i only care about us as a species. in the long run, im not trying to preserve neither language, culture, technology or history, but nothing but the species itself. imho the diversity of today can continue existing, but sooner or later, it will become too much. will a population of 15 billion be too much? 35 billion? the future isnt supposed to end anywhere soon, so how far can we take all this?
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The population has NOT evened out over the land area. 80 percent of the human race lives on under 20 percent of the land.

As to caring, I care about myself and my family. My concern for the human race is to the extent the preserving humanity benefits me and mine. Selfishness is my creed. I care about you to the extent that it benefits me and mine.

ruveyn

you misunderstood me, i know where the densities are collected, im a fanatic about it
i was refering to a world where cities are built into the wilderness. evening out the population. creating NEW hubs and congregations in the middle of the congo etc.

and okay, i get you now. my utopia begins after im dead, and preferably after those i know in THIS life, are dead