A conundrum for Christians.

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You realize of course the early Christians believed in reincarnation and like the Buddists believed you had to reach a certain level of purity of soul to find Enlightenment or the Kingdom of Heaven which may take many lifetimes to accomplish. Jesus makes it pretty clear Heaven is found in this life and any reward afterwards is merely another dimension to this. Much was edited by the early Catholic Church when they cannonized the Bible including everything pertaining to reincarnation, the pre-existence of and progression of the soul. Google 'the lost gospels' if you are sceptical. Now Paul talked about death and hell being thrown into the lake of fire, so hell and this lake are different things and he is tripping heavily on the holy spirit and talking metaphysically, so unless they've been that high themself I doubt anyone can say for sure what he meant. Incedentally historical records say somewhere that the book of revelations nearly didn't get into the Bible at all, after reading some of Pauls more out there 'revelations' in the lost gospels I see why.

Which part of the gospels, Pixel8?

*laughs*

Here's my problem with the "lost gospels", and an analogy we can all relate to:

Jesus was a pretty major figure at the time He was doing His thing, so a lot of people wrote books about Him. But not all of them liked Him, so a fair chunk of them were probably libelous. 2,000 years later, people aren't sure which books are true.

Analogy:

In 200 years, historians will start trying to figure out who the real GWB was. They'll look through the major books and think he's an idiot, but they'll research deeper and find a whole storehouse of books claiming he was the best POTUS ever, even better than Nixon or Taft. (it's been 200 years, they'll be really, really confused anyways.)

Which books should they believe?

Yeah, scary as hell, isn't it?

I'm not a historian, but the only great thing I can think of that Nixon did was that he stated he'd either win in Viet Nam or go home. So he had his generals blow up everything that looked important, and when that didn't work, he brought our boys home.

I've never heard of a single law that man passed, which is pretty sad, since some of them might have been pretty beneficial.

I *don't* admire the man. He brought our boys home, for that I respect him. Trust me, I'd respect him a whole lot more if the Watergate scandal hadn't brought a new suffix into American politics. He was an a**hole, not even his supporters argue that he was a nice guy.

im thourally convinced people make up hell in thier minds. infact god lives there too!

I'm aware of how it all works, I meant that I never heard of a single cause he supported that he made progress on. Most of the presidents since then have had agendas of one kind or another, and have succeeded in getting Congress to pass laws.

God doesn't send anyone to Hell. People send themselves there when they reject Jesus.
It doesn't matter what you did everyone has sinned including myself.
One sin puts you in Hell. But you can be forgivin and never have to go there.
But to believe is all up to you and between God and yourself.

http://www.ccci.org/wij/

I have one major problem with the god and sins theory, you see I am an atheist, but in general a I am a good person, I would never kill, I am completely against capital punishment, nuclear weapons (though they do make very interesting engineering topics and a nice possibility in nuclear pulse propulsion) but yet you say I will go to hell because I do not have faith in Jesus or god (I gave Jesus a capital letter because he was very wise and as far as I am aware, real, though I doubt he would like how some modern christians are), but however, there is a problem, if god is omniscient, then he knows all that is and all that was, so he knows that I am going to be an atheist, that I will not believe in him, and will die and go to burn in hell for eternity, now, that means I don't have free will, which makes god a dispicable being little better than the hypothetical 'devil' in terms of monstrosity, can you really believe in a being like that? and if so, how?