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06 Dec 2010, 2:31 pm

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:

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For the record, I believe Fox has an absolute inalienable right to promote their views and exercise free speech. I personally dislike them because of their dishonesty in pretending to be a legitimate news outlet when they are much more of opinion/commentary than news, but that does not mean I want to censor them.

Hear! Hear! That's exactly what I've been saying. What offends me the most is their claim to be "fair and balanced" when they are very biased. Fox is slanted more to the right than MSNBC is slanted to the left, and I will be the first to admit that MSNBC does have a definite liberal bias. Still, for NEWS, I trust MSNBC about a gazillion times more than anything from Fox. If i want to hear fear-mongering and right-wing propaganda that is quite often factually incorrect, then I'll go to Fox. But then, why would anyone want to hear lies and BS, that's what I don't understand.

Yeah you would consider hate mongers like Keith Olberman to be credible sources...

Get a clue, so far I've posted videos of Glenn Beck and he didn't look remotely crazy in them, doing research you can also verify that he could back up what he was saying with sources.

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Should they be subject to legal scrutiny if anything they say ends up being slanderous? The individuals involved with the shows? It would seem that Fox News' various op-ed presenters would have a lot of lawsuits against them.

That would mean Sarah Palin should be able to bankrupt just about every media outlet except Fox News for them slandering her.

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06 Dec 2010, 2:32 pm

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We have slander and libel laws, although the standard of proof is very high for such cases.

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06 Dec 2010, 2:33 pm

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That would mean Sarah Palin should be able to bankrupt just about every media outlet except Fox News for them slandering her.

In the conservative world, quoting an semi-illiterate moron when they say something stupid constitutes slander.

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06 Dec 2010, 2:35 pm

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That would mean Sarah Palin should be able to bankrupt just about every media outlet except Fox News for them slandering her.

In the conservative world, quoting an semi-illiterate moron when they say something stupid constitutes slander.

Contrary to MSNBC's lies, Sarah Palin does know how to read, in fact she reads quite well considering she also writes books.

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06 Dec 2010, 2:40 pm

A bad case of idiotitis?

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06 Dec 2010, 2:48 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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That would mean Sarah Palin should be able to bankrupt just about every media outlet except Fox News for them slandering her.

In the conservative world, quoting an semi-illiterate moron when they say something stupid constitutes slander.

Contrary to MSNBC's lies, Sarah Palin does know how to read, in fact she reads quite well considering she also writes books.

She has a ghost writer. It's easy to "write books" when you hire someone else to do all the footwork for you.

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06 Dec 2010, 2:55 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

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Inuyasha wrote:

That would mean Sarah Palin should be able to bankrupt just about every media outlet except Fox News for them slandering her.

In the conservative world, quoting an semi-illiterate moron when they say something stupid constitutes slander.

Contrary to MSNBC's lies, Sarah Palin does know how to read, in fact she reads quite well considering she also writes books.

She has a ghost writer. It's easy to "write books" when you hire someone else to do all the footwork for you.

This arrogance is why people can't stand liberals.

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06 Dec 2010, 3:11 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

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Inuyasha wrote:

That would mean Sarah Palin should be able to bankrupt just about every media outlet except Fox News for them slandering her.

In the conservative world, quoting an semi-illiterate moron when they say something stupid constitutes slander.

Contrary to MSNBC's lies, Sarah Palin does know how to read, in fact she reads quite well considering she also writes books.

She has a ghost writer. It's easy to "write books" when you hire someone else to do all the footwork for you.

This arrogance is why people can't stand liberals.

What arrogance? It's truth! Her books were ghostwritten. I'm sure she was consulted on it and worked with the ghostwriters but she, herself, didn not compose the books. I'm sure Obama had a ghostwriter for his books, too (same with the Clintons).

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06 Dec 2010, 3:15 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

That would mean Sarah Palin should be able to bankrupt just about every media outlet except Fox News for them slandering her.

In the conservative world, quoting an semi-illiterate moron when they say something stupid constitutes slander.

Contrary to MSNBC's lies, Sarah Palin does know how to read, in fact she reads quite well considering she also writes books.

She has a ghost writer. It's easy to "write books" when you hire someone else to do all the footwork for you.

This arrogance is why people can't stand liberals.

Just cause you have someone working with on writing something doesn't mean you don't write quite a bit of it yourself. I wasn't referring to the ghost writers which she may have had a coauthor. I am referring to the idea that she is illiterate.

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06 Dec 2010, 3:52 pm

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Obviously you're not familiar with the ghostwriting process soooooooooo:

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Ghostwrit ... &id=332195

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06 Dec 2010, 3:55 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

Obviously you're not familiar with the ghostwriting process soooooooooo:

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Ghostwrit ... &id=332195

Generally they will read what the Ghostwriter writes, assuming she had a ghostwriter because she has a Degree in Journalism. :lol:

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06 Dec 2010, 4:00 pm

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Get a clue, so far I've posted videos of Glenn Beck and he didn't look remotely crazy in them, doing research you can also verify that he could back up what he was saying with sources.

Less than two months ago Glenn Beck said "I haven't seen a half-monkey, half-person yet" in an episode of his show where he bashed evolution. Get a clue, that's as stupid as bashing the teaching of gravity. That IS crazy, and I have verified that what he says on that subject is BS. Since he is so far out of touch with reality on a subject I know about, that has so much evidence that anyone can check for themselves if they are sufficiently motivated and have an open mind to truth, it severely weakens his credibility on everything else he says which I might not know as much about.

Limbaugh is even worse on this subject. The two most popular commentators on Fox are both nutjobs, and why anybody would value their opinions on anything is beyond me.

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06 Dec 2010, 4:01 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Obviously you're not familiar with the ghostwriting process soooooooooo:

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Ghostwrit ... &id=332195

Generally they will read what the Ghostwriter writes, assuming she had a ghostwriter because she has a Degree in Journalism. :lol:

She has a communications degree.

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06 Dec 2010, 4:06 pm

I disagree with Orwell. Sarah Palin isn't illiterate. She's just dumb. She's also not a nice person from what I've heard.

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06 Dec 2010, 4:16 pm

I tend to use the word "illiterate" a bit more loosely than I probably should. I'm sure Palin is capable of reading (although she evidently doesn't do it very often).

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Obviously you're not familiar with the ghostwriting process soooooooooo:

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Ghostwrit ... &id=332195

Generally they will read what the Ghostwriter writes, assuming she had a ghostwriter because she has a Degree in Journalism. :lol:

She has a communications degree.

At my university at least (and it is probably the same elsewhere), the communications school is known as a dumping ground for people who flunk out of the business school. And the business school is known as a dumping ground for people who flunk out of real majors.

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06 Dec 2010, 4:19 pm

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I disagree with Orwell. Sarah Palin isn't illiterate. She's just dumb. She's also not a nice person from what I've heard.

And you believe reports from the mainstream media about her considering their behavior towards her?

Also just read another reason why I will tend to vote Republican.

Just prior to the mid-term elections, President Obama ended the drilling moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico, at long last heeding an outcry that included members of his own party. However, the gesture was purely political, and as it turns out, deceptive. Behind the scenes, his regulators imposed new red tape so complex that a de facto “permitorium” effectively kept the ban in place.

The result was permanent job losses, even as it came to light that the Interior Department doctored scientific reports to enforce what turned out to be an unnecessary shutdown of Gulf energy exploration in the first place. The oil and gas industry supported $12.7 billion in household earnings in Louisiana alone, according to state data, and a study by LSU Professor Joseph Mason found that the ban cost up to 155,000 jobs. The impact extended to the region’s small businesses from suppliers to grocery stores relying on revenue from the oil and gas industry.

On December 1, the president finally gave up the charade and declared that no drilling will take place in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico for the next five years. He even upped the ante, adding the Pacific and Atlantic Coasts to the no-drill zones.

Evidently, neither jobs nor the nation’s energy security are important considerations for this president.

Clearly, his calculus is governed by politics and power. With approval ratings hovering in the low 40s since August, Obama could face a potential primary challenge in 2012.

Conventional wisdom holds that any credible Democratic challenger would have to run to the left of Obama to capture the nomination. The predicament is that on most policy issues, including taxes, the economy, and the deficit, he has governed too far to the left and is being forced to change course. The environment is one area remaining in which Obama can appeal to a large base of liberal voters.

While the president gave lip service to developing natural gas contained within shale immediately following the mid-term elections, his EPA issued new rules requiring natural gas companies to measure and report greenhouse gas emissions. The measure is only the first of several being weighed that will impose a regulatory cost burden ultimately shouldered by consumers.

These are popular moves with the environmental lobby, whose agenda includes pushing energy prices so high that the “free” market would be forced to concentrate on renewable energy production including windmills, solar and ethanol, all of which are woefully inefficient and would drastically drive up consumer energy prices.

As evidence of this strategy, consider the recent wholesale price index, which indicated rising manufacturing costs almost across the board due to rising oil costs. Oil prices have already returned to their pre-recession levels, unfortunately, employment numbers haven’t followed suit.

A better solution for the president to inoculate himself from a primary challenge and ultimately win re-election would be to concentrate on promoting more jobs and a better economy. Unfortunately he doesn’t understand that if America exports energy production to other countries, we can have neither.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/12/ ... jobs-save/

This is kind of interesting considering the money he is providing to the Brazilian oil company that happens to be getting money from George Soros.

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