Misogyny/MRA is a sign of weakness

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This thread turned into a really good example for me to use, my buddy has been writing a lot about Aspie men and male privilege, and this thread is so perfect as an example. Thanks to the guys in this thread, many many thanks.

Resorting to ad hominem, are we? I went from a 15" to an 18.5" bicep size in just a year--starting nearly from scratch, I can shoulder press more than my own body weight, I can bench press 300 lbs (probably more if I hadn't fallen ill and lost a couple of pounds of lean muscle last month) and I can Yates Row 330 lbs for reps. I know what it takes for men to be fit--and I've seen what happens to women who lift. None of them look like bodybuilders, but after a good three months or so with bench presses, deadlifts and squats, the vast majority are more muscular than both Katy Perry or Selena Gomez. The fact of the matter is, most female actresses or singers are no more muscular than most 20-something girls who don't work out; they just have a little less body fat. Unless you worry about losing muscle, losing 10-15 lbs of fat is no big deal.

Just because a man has testosterone, doesn't mean that he'll look like Ivan Drago from lifting light weights a few times a week for a month. For anyone (regardless of gender) to actually gain a noteworthy amount of muscle (unless he/she has the genetics of a Greek god), said person needs roughly 0.8 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight or more and needs to be on a caloric surplus. Add heavy compound lifts for years to this and you have the recipe for muscles and fitness.

For a man to have sixpack abs, he needs roughly 8% bodyfat or less; the medical ideal for a man is between 15 and 22% and less than 8-10% in the long run, may stall the testosterone production. Most female models (apart from fashion models) have roughly 18-23% bodyfat; the female medical ideal is 22-30% (although estrogen production will usually not stop until 14-17% body fat). Which is more difficult, only 10% below the medical ideal or barely half the medical ideal?

They're not just Google pictures. If the female beauty standards were as demanding as male beatury standards (i.e. any Hollywood woman had to workout as hard as Hugh Jackman does), pretty much any woman in any lightly dressed role would look like a bikini fitness woman (the 21. century one, that is, not the 1990's one). If standards were "fair", Spartacus would be filled with actors with mediocre amounts of lean mass and 12-14% body fat.

I think men with 20" biceps and 8% body fat are more attractive to gay men with body building fetishes than women. Body building is definitely more about impressing other men than it is about impressing women.

You can post pictures suggesting he looks like a Klingon cosplayer, but even if he did (and I doubt he does), he'd still be right.

Of course, Hugh Jackman is a gay idol as everybody knows

What's that supposed to mean?

Most women I know who like the male physique for its own sake are more into, say, Sean Bean (if they like rarr, manly) or David Beckham (if they like metrosexual). I'm no expert on those things but I'd say their muscle percentage is probably within the healthy ideal. Hugh Jackman would be too much 'like shagging a brick wall' as my friend would put it. Google Sean Bean topless (it's always a good idea) - that is almost objectively hotter than any bodybuilder.

Also, Iggy Pop is a guy you often see topless. Most people I know (of both sexes) wouldn't say no to the Raw Power 70s version and he was skinny.

The second one, but he'd probably be hotter with just cardio and a bit of weights rather than deliberate bodybuilding. If he keeps up with the bodybuilding (especially if he goes the steroid route), he's going to look unattractive.