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28 Mar 2012, 10:19 pm

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And what the hell is "GOP juice"?


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"Frothy" is liberalspeak for Santorum and I don't have a clue as to how they came up with that.
I probably don't want to know.


It was gay people who came up with it, I believe, and I think it is a fitting term :lol:
GOP juice? Santorum ;)


Call me thick but I don't get it.


Nah, no worries, if you don't know the neologism then you don't know the neologism:

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santorum: the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_%28neologism%29


Yeah that sounds about right for something the left would use......


Come up with a brilliantly appropriate and repulsive neologism for an utterly repulsive man? You're right


Still worried about the Santorum boogeyman I see......
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28 Mar 2012, 10:19 pm

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Bud Lite tastes good cheap and always their like the average street walker it will treat you nice for the right price.


Bud Light does not taste good to anyone that has drank anything better and most beer is better. Try Yuengling: it costs about the same, is the oldest family owned American brewery, and certainly tastes better. I'm kind of a beer snob but this is one of my go-to domestic beers. Whatever you do, though, don't brag about drinking bud light even if you do like it.


GOP jucie the kind of drink only a right winger would enjoy


As long as it's not Bud Light......


You will find more people choose bud light over any other brand of beer because its the beer of the lower and middle class america


My husband drinks either regular Bud, or Bid Ice. In a bottle. I drink Natural Ice in a can.


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28 Mar 2012, 10:21 pm

On a sort of related note, our convenience store sells beer and wine, cigarettes, ammo, and shotguns. Also gas, pizza, and fried potatoes. Plus the assortment of convenience store items.

And bait, hunting and fishing licenses, lures, hunting supplies, and fishing poles.


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28 Mar 2012, 10:36 pm

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On a sort of related note, our convenience store sells beer and wine, cigarettes, ammo, and shotguns. Also gas, pizza, and fried potatoes. Plus the assortment of convenience store items.

And bait, hunting and fishing licenses, lures, hunting supplies, and fishing poles.


Now that's what I call a conveniece store. :D



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28 Mar 2012, 11:01 pm

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What is the applicability of the 'Stand Your Ground' law to the deceased Mr. Martin, as opposed to Zimmerman? Martin, after all, was the one who was stalked through the streets of his father's neighborhood by an adult male who outweighed him by 100 lbs and had a gun. If I happened to be in Florida and was confronted by someone exactly like Zimmerman under the exact same circumstances, I would feel in danger for my life; if he pointed the gun at me and told me to go with him, I might decide that I'd rather try to take it from him and risk being killed there, than go with him somewhere else where I could be raped and murdered all tidy-like.


It all depends on the circumstances. Zimmerman was carrying concealed, and simply following someone is not in and of itself a crime or attack. The only circumstance were SYG could apply to Trayvon himself would be one were Zimmerman attacked him first or drew his weapon absent a threat; the following and possibly even questioning are not enough on their own. The proper response if you see someone following you is to remove yourself from the situation, even for a gun carrying male such as myself. Run, hide, duck into a store with people in it, anything but confront the guy yourself.

Your thought exercise is pure speculation by the way, there is no evidence of anything like that having occurred. Indulge me in mine for a minute. If this incident went down in reverse, an armed man notices that he's being followed, confronts the (unarmed) pursuer and possibly initiates a physical conflict that leaves the pursuer dead, would you still be taking the line you are currently? Leave the race and everything else out of it, just the scenario please.

Isn't the entire point of SYG that you don't have to 'remove yourself from the situation'? That is, of course, the wise thing to do, but not the legally mandated one.

Based on your thought experiment and mine, I have two questions that none of the witnesses I've heard about so far have answered: 1)when did the gun get drawn, and 2)who deliberately made physical contact first? Zimmerman first said that Martiin jumped him from behind, then changed his story to 'Martin went for the gun' (meaning that Martin could see the gun). Given that Martin can't tell his side of the story, I really wish that the police had been better about collecting forensic evidence at the time of the crime.



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29 Mar 2012, 12:32 am

LKL wrote:
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What is the applicability of the 'Stand Your Ground' law to the deceased Mr. Martin, as opposed to Zimmerman? Martin, after all, was the one who was stalked through the streets of his father's neighborhood by an adult male who outweighed him by 100 lbs and had a gun. If I happened to be in Florida and was confronted by someone exactly like Zimmerman under the exact same circumstances, I would feel in danger for my life; if he pointed the gun at me and told me to go with him, I might decide that I'd rather try to take it from him and risk being killed there, than go with him somewhere else where I could be raped and murdered all tidy-like.


It all depends on the circumstances. Zimmerman was carrying concealed, and simply following someone is not in and of itself a crime or attack. The only circumstance were SYG could apply to Trayvon himself would be one were Zimmerman attacked him first or drew his weapon absent a threat; the following and possibly even questioning are not enough on their own. The proper response if you see someone following you is to remove yourself from the situation, even for a gun carrying male such as myself. Run, hide, duck into a store with people in it, anything but confront the guy yourself.

Your thought exercise is pure speculation by the way, there is no evidence of anything like that having occurred. Indulge me in mine for a minute. If this incident went down in reverse, an armed man notices that he's being followed, confronts the (unarmed) pursuer and possibly initiates a physical conflict that leaves the pursuer dead, would you still be taking the line you are currently? Leave the race and everything else out of it, just the scenario please.

Isn't the entire point of SYG that you don't have to 'remove yourself from the situation'? That is, of course, the wise thing to do, but not the legally mandated one.

Based on your thought experiment and mine, I have two questions that none of the witnesses I've heard about so far have answered: 1)when did the gun get drawn, and 2)who deliberately made physical contact first? Zimmerman first said that Martiin jumped him from behind, then changed his story to 'Martin went for the gun' (meaning that Martin could see the gun). Given that Martin can't tell his side of the story, I really wish that the police had been better about collecting forensic evidence at the time of the crime.


It's pretty hazy right now. Current news stoies have Zimmerman's version as: Martin followed *him* and came up behind him and said, "are you looking for trouble?". Zimmerman replies "no". Martin continues, "well you've found it homey". Zimmerman reaches into his pocket for his phone and Martin decks him with one punch and pummels him on the ground. At some point he says Martin tried to get his gun, while saying "you're going to die tonight!". Very melodramatic sounding.

Martin's girffriend, on the phone with him at the time said that Martin was still being followed even after moving quickly. He turned and said, "why are you following me?". Zimmermans then said "what are you doing around here?", Then the phone made noises suggesting a struggle and went dead.



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29 Mar 2012, 1:19 am

simon_says wrote:
LKL wrote:
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What is the applicability of the 'Stand Your Ground' law to the deceased Mr. Martin, as opposed to Zimmerman? Martin, after all, was the one who was stalked through the streets of his father's neighborhood by an adult male who outweighed him by 100 lbs and had a gun. If I happened to be in Florida and was confronted by someone exactly like Zimmerman under the exact same circumstances, I would feel in danger for my life; if he pointed the gun at me and told me to go with him, I might decide that I'd rather try to take it from him and risk being killed there, than go with him somewhere else where I could be raped and murdered all tidy-like.


It all depends on the circumstances. Zimmerman was carrying concealed, and simply following someone is not in and of itself a crime or attack. The only circumstance were SYG could apply to Trayvon himself would be one were Zimmerman attacked him first or drew his weapon absent a threat; the following and possibly even questioning are not enough on their own. The proper response if you see someone following you is to remove yourself from the situation, even for a gun carrying male such as myself. Run, hide, duck into a store with people in it, anything but confront the guy yourself.

Your thought exercise is pure speculation by the way, there is no evidence of anything like that having occurred. Indulge me in mine for a minute. If this incident went down in reverse, an armed man notices that he's being followed, confronts the (unarmed) pursuer and possibly initiates a physical conflict that leaves the pursuer dead, would you still be taking the line you are currently? Leave the race and everything else out of it, just the scenario please.

Isn't the entire point of SYG that you don't have to 'remove yourself from the situation'? That is, of course, the wise thing to do, but not the legally mandated one.

Based on your thought experiment and mine, I have two questions that none of the witnesses I've heard about so far have answered: 1)when did the gun get drawn, and 2)who deliberately made physical contact first? Zimmerman first said that Martiin jumped him from behind, then changed his story to 'Martin went for the gun' (meaning that Martin could see the gun). Given that Martin can't tell his side of the story, I really wish that the police had been better about collecting forensic evidence at the time of the crime.


It's pretty hazy right now. Current news stoies have Zimmerman's version as: Martin followed *him* and came up behind him and said, "are you looking for trouble?". Zimmerman replies "no". Martin continues, "well you've found it homey". Zimmerman reaches into his pocket for his phone and Martin decks him with one punch and pummels him on the ground. At some point he says Martin tried to get his gun.

Martin's girffriend, on the phone with him at the time said that Martin was still being followed even after moving quickly. He turned and said, "why are you following me?". Zimmermans then said "what are you doing around here?", Then the phone made noises suggesting a struggle and went dead.


Somehow, Rush Limbaugh, Fox, and other racist apologists will claim that Zimmerman is more reliable than the girl on the phone, even though Zimmerman's account hardly makes sense. By their logic, Martin in Zimmerman's account somehow became the stalker (forget that Zimmerman had admitted to following Martin to the police), and was somehow aware of Zimmerman's concealed weapon that he went for it. But that somehow makes sense to the loony right.

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29 Mar 2012, 3:00 am

Yeah probably. Someone is lying anyway.



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29 Mar 2012, 3:08 am

A few minutes ago I saw that a video of him right after he shot the boy was released. There are no marks or blood on his face or head.


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29 Mar 2012, 7:25 am

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It all depends on what state you live in in NC yingling costs more then bud light which is very cheap to buy in NC

Here on tobacco road both cost about the same. As many times as I’ve been to NC I’ve never had reason to compare prices between Yuengling and Buttwiper, oops, I mean Budweiser.
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If bud lite isnt at the house ill always drink Guinness

Guinness extra stout is about like drinking pine sap with a touch of motor oil for flavor. I’ve had it stateside and in the U.K. and I think it actually tastes worse over here.
But I am occasionally in the mood for pine sap with a touch of motor oil.

However, if I drink beer at home, which I seldom do because I prefer liquor, it's always Miller High Life for me. If I'm at a nice restaurant, it's usually something loaded with enough hops to get you high.

Country Gentleman is the best bourbon whiskey for the buck, and Nikolai is the best vodka for the buck.



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29 Mar 2012, 7:47 am

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It all depends on what state you live in in NC yingling costs more then bud light which is very cheap to buy in NC

Here on tobacco road both cost about the same. As many times as I’ve been to NC I’ve never had reason to compare prices between Yuengling and Buttwiper, oops, I mean Budweiser.
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If bud lite isnt at the house ill always drink Guinness

Guinness extra stout is about like drinking pine sap with a touch of motor oil for flavor. I’ve had it stateside and in the U.K. and I think it actually tastes worse over here.
But I am occasionally in the mood for pine sap with a touch of motor oil.

However, if I drink beer at home, which I seldom do because I prefer liquor, it's always Miller High Life for me. If I'm at a nice restaurant, it's usually something loaded with enough hops to get you high.

Country Gentleman is the best bourbon whiskey for the buck, and Nikolai is the best vodka for the buck.


I don't think I've had Country Gentleman. For bourbon I usually drink Wild Turkey.



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29 Mar 2012, 7:48 am

simon_says wrote:
LKL wrote:
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What is the applicability of the 'Stand Your Ground' law to the deceased Mr. Martin, as opposed to Zimmerman? Martin, after all, was the one who was stalked through the streets of his father's neighborhood by an adult male who outweighed him by 100 lbs and had a gun. If I happened to be in Florida and was confronted by someone exactly like Zimmerman under the exact same circumstances, I would feel in danger for my life; if he pointed the gun at me and told me to go with him, I might decide that I'd rather try to take it from him and risk being killed there, than go with him somewhere else where I could be raped and murdered all tidy-like.


It all depends on the circumstances. Zimmerman was carrying concealed, and simply following someone is not in and of itself a crime or attack. The only circumstance were SYG could apply to Trayvon himself would be one were Zimmerman attacked him first or drew his weapon absent a threat; the following and possibly even questioning are not enough on their own. The proper response if you see someone following you is to remove yourself from the situation, even for a gun carrying male such as myself. Run, hide, duck into a store with people in it, anything but confront the guy yourself.

Your thought exercise is pure speculation by the way, there is no evidence of anything like that having occurred. Indulge me in mine for a minute. If this incident went down in reverse, an armed man notices that he's being followed, confronts the (unarmed) pursuer and possibly initiates a physical conflict that leaves the pursuer dead, would you still be taking the line you are currently? Leave the race and everything else out of it, just the scenario please.

Isn't the entire point of SYG that you don't have to 'remove yourself from the situation'? That is, of course, the wise thing to do, but not the legally mandated one.

Based on your thought experiment and mine, I have two questions that none of the witnesses I've heard about so far have answered: 1)when did the gun get drawn, and 2)who deliberately made physical contact first? Zimmerman first said that Martiin jumped him from behind, then changed his story to 'Martin went for the gun' (meaning that Martin could see the gun). Given that Martin can't tell his side of the story, I really wish that the police had been better about collecting forensic evidence at the time of the crime.


It's pretty hazy right now. Current news stoies have Zimmerman's version as: Martin followed *him* and came up behind him and said, "are you looking for trouble?". Zimmerman replies "no". Martin continues, "well you've found it homey". Zimmerman reaches into his pocket for his phone and Martin decks him with one punch and pummels him on the ground. At some point he says Martin tried to get his gun, while saying "you're going to die tonight!". Very melodramatic sounding.

Martin's girffriend, on the phone with him at the time said that Martin was still being followed even after moving quickly. He turned and said, "why are you following me?". Zimmermans then said "what are you doing around here?", Then the phone made noises suggesting a struggle and went dead.
I find Zimmerman's story believable. It sounds like Martin got paranoid and justifiably pissed with the idiot Zimmerman stalking him, and Zimmerman got creamed with a sucker punch. Martin must have been in one hell of a rage.

Of course, a judge and jury would make the same surmise if the ret*d authorities would just take him to trial, and the nation could put the entire crappy affair in the past.

However, since murder is legal in Florida, he can hardly be charged with it, whether or not he could get off the hook with a second degree manslaughter charge. HELLO, if you were to bring Zimmerman before a judge and jury with a string of charges, he would most likely have been convicted of "excusable homicide," which has a fairly soft sentence under Florida's penal code.

http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/ho ... #Penalties

If he had just been charged with something, he could have gotten off with probation. Martin's family might have even forgiven him if they had just been put in a situation in which they were obligated to listen calmly and rationally to his side of the story. Probation for being a harmful moron and a fine for being inexcusably stupid would probably satisfy them.

Or that might have been the case if SOMEONE HAD HAD THE PRESENCE OF MIND TO CHARGE HIM WITH SOMETHING.



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29 Mar 2012, 9:24 am

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However, since murder is legal in Florida, he can hardly be charged with it, whether or not he could get off the hook with a second degree manslaughter charge. HELLO, if you were to bring Zimmerman before a judge and jury with a string of charges, he would most likely have been convicted of "excusable homicide," which has a fairly soft sentence under Florida's penal code.

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Not all killing is -de facto- murder. For a homicide to be murder the death must be -legally wrongul-. You are very quick to misuse terminology. Are you a political Liberal? If so, it is understandable that you would -automatically- consider the killed of a Negro as murder and wrongul. If you are not politically Liberal why is your thinking so sloppy?

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29 Mar 2012, 10:09 am

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However, since murder is legal in Florida, he can hardly be charged with it, whether or not he could get off the hook with a second degree manslaughter charge. HELLO, if you were to bring Zimmerman before a judge and jury with a string of charges, he would most likely have been convicted of "excusable homicide," which has a fairly soft sentence under Florida's penal code.

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Not all killing is -de facto- murder. For a homicide to be murder the death must be -legally wrongul-. You are very quick to misuse terminology. Are you a political Liberal? If so, it is understandable that you would -automatically- consider the killed of a Negro as murder and wrongul. If you are not politically Liberal why is your thinking so sloppy?

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Do we even say "negro" anymore? I thought it was African American, or at least black, now.


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Do we even say "negro" anymore? I thought it was African American, or at least black, now.


I am 76 years old. I do not bother the de jour politically correct terminology. A dark skinned person is no lighter regardless of what he is called or not called.

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OliveOilMom wrote:
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However, since murder is legal in Florida, he can hardly be charged with it, whether or not he could get off the hook with a second degree manslaughter charge. HELLO, if you were to bring Zimmerman before a judge and jury with a string of charges, he would most likely have been convicted of "excusable homicide," which has a fairly soft sentence under Florida's penal code.

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Not all killing is -de facto- murder. For a homicide to be murder the death must be -legally wrongul-. You are very quick to misuse terminology. Are you a political Liberal? If so, it is understandable that you would -automatically- consider the killed of a Negro as murder and wrongul. If you are not politically Liberal why is your thinking so sloppy?

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Do we even say "negro" anymore? I thought it was African American, or at least black, now.


Judging by his age near my grandfather's....it doesn't surprise me. At least he didn't use the other word which my grandad says was very popular in his time.


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