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10 Apr 2012, 10:01 pm
Ragtime wrote:
LKL wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
LKL wrote:
Ragtime, two points:
first, most of us don't give a damn about your love life, and we've already had TMI from you.
second, one couple is an anecdote. Your experience with your wife is an anecdote.
It''s not data, any more than if an individual woman was posting here about how her husband really liked her to be a dominatrix. Some people are really into that stuff, and some dress it up as religion, but it doesn't have relevance to the general population and frankly I don't want to hear about it any more than I want to hear about how my parents like to have sex. Please show the same amount of decency as everyone else on this thread and stop telling us about your sex life, ok?
first, most of us don't give a damn about your love life, and we've already had TMI from you.
second, one couple is an anecdote. Your experience with your wife is an anecdote.
It''s not data, any more than if an individual woman was posting here about how her husband really liked her to be a dominatrix. Some people are really into that stuff, and some dress it up as religion, but it doesn't have relevance to the general population and frankly I don't want to hear about it any more than I want to hear about how my parents like to have sex. Please show the same amount of decency as everyone else on this thread and stop telling us about your sex life, ok?
I'm not talking about our sex life.
And everything you feel is an anecdote, too.
You were, and you continue to talk about how happy your wife is as a sub.
Yes, everything I feel is an anecdote; however, my logic and reasoning are not anecdotes, nor is the evidence that I frequently post.
I'm not talking about that part of our relationship. In the quote, she was talking about submitting to me as my wife in that I am the head of the home. Perform gutter-cranial extraction please.
Both husband and wife should the head of the home equally.
10 Apr 2012, 11:43 pm
ArrantPariah wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
AspieRogue wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Why blame "society?" Maybe women are just easier to manipulate, because they wish to conform to what they regard as the demands of "society", when, in fact, it is just a handful of moguls who are calling "society's" shots. The moguls decide what styles are going to be fashionable, and the ladies knock themselves out with conforming.
I really hope that's not true.
One might wish, but do you have a better explanation for the phenomenon?
I'm a simple mouse. I have more faith in womankind than that.
Have you watched The Devil Wears Prada?
I can also recommend the book Propaganda by Edward Bernays.
Would women have spontaneously taken up wearing panty-hose, high-heeled shoes, and getting cosmetic chest surgery, completely on their own, without being manipulated by a small number of men, making huge amounts of money?
Are women really out to punish themselves for being women?
Pantyhose are for warmth in winter time when wearing dresses and skirts. High heeled shoes make women feel sexy. Women dress to impress because it pays off for them. Stop blaming men for women's fashion and choices of clothing.
i don't think it's men's fault. but it isn't women's fault either. i think it's better to work at changing society than assigning blame to blameless individuals.
Look at the women of the Kayan ethnicity
Does elongating the neck with the heavy brass rings really make a woman feel "sexy?" Or, is it just about making wealth for the brass-ring makers? Or, is it about subjugating women?
The high-heeled shoes may make a woman in our culture feel "sexy", but to my eyes, she just looks foolish.
It used to be "society's norm" for Chinese women's feet to be disfigured to the point where it was difficult for them to walk
What was this about? Making women more appealing to men? Certainly not to me. Probably just about slavishly following customs that would enrich the masters of the foot-binding industry.
And looking at this
I don't see any point to it, and I reject the "cultural norm" that produced it.
i am not sure of your point here.
ArrantPariah wrote:
I behave differently from the "norm." Am I to be celebrated?
or here.
can you tell me what any of this has to do with feminism?
10 Apr 2012, 11:45 pm
11 Apr 2012, 2:29 am
Ragtime wrote:
LKL wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
LKL wrote:
Ragtime, two points:
first, most of us don't give a damn about your love life, and we've already had TMI from you.
second, one couple is an anecdote. Your experience with your wife is an anecdote.
It''s not data, any more than if an individual woman was posting here about how her husband really liked her to be a dominatrix. Some people are really into that stuff, and some dress it up as religion, but it doesn't have relevance to the general population and frankly I don't want to hear about it any more than I want to hear about how my parents like to have sex. Please show the same amount of decency as everyone else on this thread and stop telling us about your sex life, ok?
first, most of us don't give a damn about your love life, and we've already had TMI from you.
second, one couple is an anecdote. Your experience with your wife is an anecdote.
It''s not data, any more than if an individual woman was posting here about how her husband really liked her to be a dominatrix. Some people are really into that stuff, and some dress it up as religion, but it doesn't have relevance to the general population and frankly I don't want to hear about it any more than I want to hear about how my parents like to have sex. Please show the same amount of decency as everyone else on this thread and stop telling us about your sex life, ok?
I'm not talking about our sex life.
And everything you feel is an anecdote, too.
You were, and you continue to talk about how happy your wife is as a sub.
Yes, everything I feel is an anecdote; however, my logic and reasoning are not anecdotes, nor is the evidence that I frequently post.
I'm not talking about that part of our relationship. In the quote, she was talking about submitting to me as my wife in that I am the head of the home. Perform gutter-cranial extraction please.
11 Apr 2012, 2:47 am
11 Apr 2012, 4:40 am
ArrantPariah wrote:
And looking at this
I don't see any point to it, and I reject the "cultural norm" that produced it.
If high heels were solely about making money for shoemakers (and chiropodists down the line), then women would wear them all the time. Women wear them more often on occasions where they have to impress men. They're part of the uniform for strippers, escorts and porn stars.
11 Apr 2012, 6:59 am
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11 Apr 2012, 9:41 am
hyperlexian wrote:
can you tell me what any of this has to do with feminism?
Now, wait a tick. Didn't we agree that the gender-disparity in the amount of money spent on shoes and clothing represented a feminist issue?
Does Feminism really begin and end with:
"Waaahhhh!! !! Women are spending more on shoes and clothing than men! THAT'S NOT FAIR!! !! Waahhhh!! !
"
I thought that the heart of Feminism was about exposing and exterminating root causes of gender inequality. Exposing and eliminating the handful of fashion moguls who manipulate women into spending excessively and torturing themselves with fashions would represent a giant step towards transforming the USA into a Feminist State.
11 Apr 2012, 10:08 am
ArrantPariah wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
can you tell me what any of this has to do with feminism?
Now, wait a tick. Didn't we agree that the gender-disparity in the amount of money spent on shoes and clothing represented a feminist issue?
Does Feminism really begin and end with:
"Waaahhhh!! !! Women are spending more on shoes and clothing than men! THAT'S NOT FAIR!! !! Waahhhh!! !
"I thought that the heart of Feminism was about exposing and exterminating root causes of gender inequality. Exposing and eliminating the handful of fashion moguls who manipulate women into spending excessively and torturing themselves with fashions would represent a giant step towards transforming the USA into a Feminist State.
And I thought that feminism was about men and women having equal rights, and not about attempting to make men and women indistinguishable. If we eliminate these eevil "fashion moguls", then women(and men) will have FAR fewer options as to what kind of clothing they wear. Is that the idea? Coerce clothing companies to make loose-fitting clothing ONLY for women? Or better yet have them make unisex clothing exclusively.
11 Apr 2012, 10:13 am
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11 Apr 2012, 11:49 am
CloudLayer wrote:
Ragtime: how would you like it if you were told that your gender is subordinate to women, and that your wife is to be the head of the household because that's her rightful place?
I imagine you would not find it very pleasant or logical to be told you are in a position of lesser power. Or would you enjoy being subordinate to your spouse? Would you feel that was fair and made sense?
I imagine you would not find it very pleasant or logical to be told you are in a position of lesser power. Or would you enjoy being subordinate to your spouse? Would you feel that was fair and made sense?
I'd say: Thanks for your opinion
See ya later.
No one can MAKE you inferior. They can tell you you're inferior and they can treat you as if you are inferior but that does not make you so. The only person who can make you inferior is yourself.
11 Apr 2012, 11:57 am
