Misogyny/MRA is a sign of weakness

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I'm not totally sure what that phrase even means. Do you think some women offload all their emotions onto men because they are men or because some women are just selfish with their emotions?

I think I tend to be positive person anyway, and when I'm not I'm too depressed to even express emotions very well and just do self-destructive things.

Not revenge, just making things more equal

It's too late to fix anything - boundaries will keep being pushed

The 50s was one period when the ideal body image in the media corresponded to what people actually found attractive- unless you count the muscle mags back then - but they were only read by gay guys anyway because they were the closest thing they could get to gay porn that wasn't on the black market.

The 70s were kinder on people's bodies, too - but people weren't as well groomed then as they were in the 50s. The fashion in the 70s was also terrible until punk happened.

I look quite good in 50s style girly clothes because it complements my body type, but I don't like wearing dresses and restrictive undergarments much. Plus the looks is very overdone by curvy women on the alternative scene trying to look like a 50s starlet/burlesque dancer. I used to dress a bit like a 50s beatnik woman when I was younger and spent more money on clothes. It's kind of a way to look like a half-arsed mod, punk and goth all at the same time! Lots of dark colours/monochrome, sharp tailored stuff, straightened hair and black eye make-up. That look is better on you if you're a bit slimmer than I am, though (I'm working on getting back to the size I used to be).

I doubt many women would turn down a reborn Jack Kerouac or Albert Camus, either - even though I doubt either of them ever lifted in their lives. That whole look oozes effortless manliness. It might just be that all the pictures are black and white and involve a cigarette, though.

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I think all men would want a world where both genders are equally sexualized. But as is the female market for sexualizing and objectifying men is very limited when it comes to bodies.

I was watching this movie from I believe the 30s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_and_Nora_Charles One of those movies. I remarked how people seemed to be moving furniture/etc, like it was no big deal. That and farm labor, etc. Most jobs were simply more labor intense back then. So artificial weights is more of a modern thing.

Anyway, I wanna look like Lu Xiaojun. Chinese Olympic lifter.
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4111/5062 ... 91cd_z.jpg

I never said bodybuilding is a gay thing (though it can be). It's just that gay guys are probably more turned on by 20" biceps than women are because biceps and bulk are a male obsession. Women are more into a toned chest and broad shoulders, not massive bulk and veins popping out everywhere.

Excuse me, sir. There is nothing gay at all about these bodybuilders

Don't kill yourself (figuratively) over it, though!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08[/youtube]

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That's Taner Sagir.

I pretty much look like this now. Oddly both those guys are in the same weight class, 77K, but Taner has a higher bodyfat than Lu.

Also I think bodybuilding is kind of lame, and does have much of it's roots in homosexual stuff. This is pretty easy to historically verify. Basically, I've heard bodybuilding described as "The male version of objectification" which I think is accurate. But I think bodybuilding is sorta...dead. The media ideal of the 70s and 80s of every guy being hyooge, is pretty much over. Now because of feminism (f**k it, I'll throw around the Matriarchy in this thread, why not) all that's sort of expected out of guys now is mega ultra low bodyfat. I'm sure many people here have seen the pictures Kurgan put up of Justin Beiber and whatnot.

I don't think the Arnold or Lou Ferrigno kinda look is really preferred anymore. Part of the reason is, it's actually really simple. Drugs. Up until about 1991, you could be like "sup doc, I wanna get big and muscular, give me some steroids" and that was it. They weren't controlled substances. So the unfortunate truth about those times was, well, lots of people were on drugs to attain the muscularity. Sylvester Stallone for example, recently (as in like 2 years ago?) got popped with HGH in Australia. He's still on drugs to this day to attain his muscularity.

IMO, the cultural trends sorta just favor different genetics. The old cultural trend favors the mesomorph and endomorph genetics, and the new one ectomorph. Going with feminism blah blah blah, I guess you can see sorta psychologically why. Bigger giant muscular dudes=unneeded by matriarchal society. Smaller dudes with abs=soft sensitive Edward from Twilight boy toy. I think this is how it works societally as in what is being pushed by the media or whatever.

Also, I think the whole skinny boy with abs thing is now more of a thing because of obesity. People who in an earlier time would not be obese are now obese. The only people left not obese who don't make it a hobby are usually the natural ectomorphs who tend to weigh 130lbs. So the whole somatotype thing might have something to do with media standards, too. All the naturally muscular dudes now have too big of a layer of fat covering their muscles now due to our modern environment with wonderful GMO foods and xenoestrogens and estrogen injected into the meat to make it cheap enough so we can live decadent as all hell for no reason (yep, meat has estradiol.)

In real life, people like whoever the hell. I don't think media standards really matter a whole lot. Or maybe it's just me and not really having even turned on a TV in months and having Adblock on. I'm inclined to think personally most girls probably would prefer a muscular guy, despite their opinions to the contrary. It's like big boobs and big butts. Sure, maybe some guys actually don't like them, but most guys do.

That's very related with facial structure. Check that both Jack Kerouac and Albert Camus have a similar one, and that's what you find attractive. They only need to avoid overweight to keep 'hotness'. The same with, I don't know, Grace Kelly. She wouldn't need daily gym to be attractive.

Take Pete Doherty that likes this kind of shots and you see it's all about facial structure. And this is genetic. Some people have a pretty/exotic/attractive face and other don't.

I don't think anyone's actually putting "pressure" on anyone.

The media deliberately displays "beauty" possessed by a rare few in the gene pool (when they're not deliberately manipulating the images via computers), and insecure people respond to it by becoming even more insecure. Most "average-looking people" hook-up with other "average-looking people" because, statistically, most people are "average-looking." That's why it's called "average-looking."

I've never encountered a situation where someone was required to look like a supermodel or an extreme body-builder.......except when applying to be a super model or an extreme body-builder. Additionally, I've helped train many men and women who were perfectly capable of looking "fit and muscular" without the use of steroids, or spending 20 hours a day in the gym.

But I have noticed that there is a perception among Americans who are eternally stuck to the couch that an hour a day at the gym is considered "extreme."

How can anyone spend 20 hours a day at the gym? You can't get fit with inadequate sleep. Surely you mean 20 hours a week.


If you have to do things like work, commute, shop, and cook for yourself one hour a day is a lot. I bet I could make myself look awesome if I didn't have to do anything but work out and had no other worries in life. I tried to work out regularly at one point but couldn't keep it up because of too much stress taking all my energy.

Same problem here. One reason I am trying to get on lithium and adderall. For energy. To work out more and look sexier. I am the same way. I can be very regular during breaks between school semesters when I don't have much else to do. Put some real responsibilities into my life, and forget it!

Sorry. Forgot the /sarcasm/ tags.



I do all of those things and I still find time to work out.

When in the military, I was working 12 hour shifts, but I still ran 30 miles a week, and lifted weights three times a week for an hour. And I still had to cook, clean, run errands, ect. (but despite what Kurgan seems to think, I still didn't look like Kristen Steward (sp?) or whatever female tart is considered "hot" these days).

My advice is, if you want to exercise, exercise because you want to get fit, not because you want to look a certain way.

Is true. Self hate and vanity will only take you so far.