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14 Mar 2022, 7:28 pm

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If someone can go to the "trouble" of copy/pasting an article they can add the link too.


Truth.



I explained why I didn't. 8)



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14 Mar 2022, 10:02 pm

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14 Mar 2022, 10:11 pm

^ White privilege. If Afghans tried to lunge like that at American troops checking a village door to door they'd be bagging the whole family.



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14 Mar 2022, 10:25 pm

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^ White privilege. If Afghans tried to lunge like that at American troops checking a village door to door they'd be bagging the whole family.


Potentially one aspect, yes.. but there's also the fact that it seems a lot of Russian soldiers don't even want to be there in the first place.. they weren't told where they were going or what the mission was and don't agree with it - so of course they're not all trigger happy trying to gun down civilians. Could have just been looking for soldiers.

Also, besides looking like a similar ethnicity to the soldiers, the other factor in play may just be respect for elders.. kinda hard to gun down children and grandparents. Easier to shoot a resistance fighter that's 18-60 years old and has a gun pointed back at you.


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14 Mar 2022, 10:33 pm

I saw that the other day, notice the fourth soldier peeking in and then he wants no part of it.
Also as you get older ,you get more fearless, death is already a few steps behind you.
I think people in Eastern Europe still honor their elderly and have respect for them.
Here we just stick them in nursing homes and forget them. :cry:


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15 Mar 2022, 2:20 am

r00tb33r wrote:
^ White privilege. If Afghans tried to lunge like that at American troops checking a village door to door they'd be bagging the whole family.

Not just skin color.
They speak the same language and have no significant cultural barriers between them.

There's a family story of my half-Russian great grandmother: when Red Army was entering Warsaw, the soldiers were looting and raping - and she had two daughters, one 16 (I think), the other 23.
The story is, when soldats came at their door, my great-grandmother "welcame" them with a stream of perfect Russian profanities... they apologized and went away.
Everyone was "white" there - Russians, Poles, Germans. In East Europe, ethnicity is mainly about language, not ancestry.


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15 Mar 2022, 5:26 am

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According to the Ukrainian gov., Russia has attacked Belarus.

There appear to be no developments to this story aside from the original source. Seems to be in fact a hoax.



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15 Mar 2022, 5:29 am

magz wrote:
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^ White privilege. If Afghans tried to lunge like that at American troops checking a village door to door they'd be bagging the whole family.

Not just skin color.
They speak the same language and have no significant cultural barriers between them.

There's a family story of my half-Russian great grandmother: when Red Army was entering Warsaw, the soldiers were looting and raping - and she had two daughters, one 16 (I think), the other 23.
The story is, when soldats came at their door, my great-grandmother "welcame" them with a stream of perfect Russian profanities... they apologized and went away.
Everyone was "white" there - Russians, Poles, Germans. In East Europe, ethnicity is mainly about language, not ancestry.

I meant that they don't see each other as "less than human", which wasn't always the case in other warzones.



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15 Mar 2022, 6:04 am

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I meant that they don't see each other as "less than human", which wasn't always the case in other warzones.
In most wars I know of, the fighting sides are predominantly of the same skin color, typical to the locality.
Sure, there are exceptions, mostly US sending troops overseas.
Even then, however, they are usually to support one of the local sides in the conflict.

ED: Ok, I found one exception. Israel.


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15 Mar 2022, 6:08 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
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If someone can go to the "trouble" of copy/pasting an article they can add the link too.


Truth.

In a bit of a tangent it is interesting how many times in hobby forums someone will take the time to type a 2 paragraph post asking a question and also talking around the question, then wait a couple days for a reply.

Then I go and plug the question info in to Google and get something like 143,000 results in zero point 35 seconds with the first, second, or third, result having exactly the answer/data they wanted.
Heh yes, that's a depressingly common occurrence on many technical forums I frequent.
It's like people forget they're using a connection to probably the most important invention after the wheel - well, certainly since sliced bread :wink: - which provides answers, further knowledge (and some crap) with practically no effort at all.

Quoting some of that information without including a link to it is lazy and can speak volumes of the poster's poor engagement with, and low opinions of, their audience.

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15 Mar 2022, 6:09 am

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That is the trouble with Quora. It is simply opinion pieces from random individuals.
There is no way to verify the accuracy of what is said or who said it, most of the time.
This is why I didn't bother making a link.
This is, of course, and as you frequently point out to others, "just your opinion".

Please provide a link anyway - it gives others the opportunity to verify what you post is accurate and the opportunity of verifying it in-situ, along with finding other related information near the link for themselves.


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15 Mar 2022, 10:09 am

KCTV news this morning approx. 8 am . Broadcast a image of a Russian news media broadcaster . In Russian with a woman that entered the screen behind the broadcaster. Moving across the screen , with a large cardboard printed sign. In bold print that Started with the words in English “ End the War in Ukraine”. Then following smaller letters were all in Russian , except the bottom line .
What about this incident being broadcast in the United States is Wrong ? Think about this sign? Why in the World would another broadcaster write this in English on a Russian news broadcast ? And how come none of the Russian media staff
Did not stop this woman ? . Do all Russians speak English ?

These images were broadcast twice in a 2 hour period .
It is offensive to think that this might not strike someone as being a product of a US propaganda machine ?
It seems really sad that our media propaganda machine. Considers the US public as being that ignorant.
This does cause me to wonder , how much of the info we are being fed,by the media empires here is remotely true.

Please understand that I am in No way pro-Russia , but , I am definitely anti- propaganda ! :roll:


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15 Mar 2022, 10:13 am

Russian TV news was broadcast life.
The woman working in the same station entered there with her anti-war cardboard.
She was visible for only a few seconds, before the operators changed visual feed to remove her.
Then, she was arrested.

The scene was recorded by someone and re-transmitted all over the West.
Most Russians speak enough of English to write "no war" or something like this on a sign.


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15 Mar 2022, 10:18 am

The event as broadcast:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60749279


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15 Mar 2022, 10:26 am

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. . . Please provide a link anyway - it gives others the opportunity to verify what you post is accurate and the opportunity of verifying it in-situ, along with finding other related information near the link for themselves.
Some links (i.e., Fullerton Informer, The Onion, The Verge, YouTube, et cetera) are automatic giveaways that the posted information given is likely to be bogus.



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15 Mar 2022, 10:33 am

Fnord wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
. . . Please provide a link anyway - it gives others the opportunity to verify what you post is accurate and the opportunity of verifying it in-situ, along with finding other related information near the link for themselves.
Some links (i.e., Fullerton Informer, The Onion, The Verge, YouTube, et cetera) are automatic giveaways that the posted information given is likely to be bogus.


The Onion is satire and there's coverage on YouTube that's more credible than anything on TV.


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