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I've heard people say that his FB proves he was involved with gang members and drug dealers. I don't know. He could be, but if his dad lived in a gated community I doubt he was involved in gangs. One thing that lots of people don't understand is that a lot of times, regular teenage culture can mimic that. It's in the music, it's in the fashion, etc. The "deuces" which is a hand sign that lots of kids do (sideways peace sign sort of) could look like a gang sign. Lots and lots of kids do that in pictures. Also, some of the fashion is almost exactly like the fashion of the gang kids. Just because you dress somebody in that and they throw the deuces in no way means they are in a gang. Also, as for the drug dealers, it could very well be somebody buying a little pot. Yes, it's illegal and it's not good for teens to do that, but they sometimes do. If he was talking about the "dopeman" on his fb and he meant somebody who was going to get him a 20 sack or something of weed, that's hardly a comparison to a drug dealer. When you say drug dealer, you think either somebody sitting up in an inner city house with lots of guns and coke or something, or you think of some rich guy who doesn't even have to get his hands dirty. Or somebody cooking meth, or something like that. Not just some other teenager who goes to somebody else's house and buys a sack of weed.

The kid may have been no more into anything bad than most other teens are. It's distinguishing between the real thing and the pretty far removed from the real thing that's going to cloud the issue here. You put my son in a hoodie and give him a cell phone and let him walk around at night and he would look menacing too. Especially in his baggy pants and black Bob Marley tshirt and that belt with the flag of Jamaica on it and his beanie. But he's a harmless kid, thats all. Probably so was the one who got killed.

There is a genuinely despicable effort on the part of elements of the right to demonize the victim, simply because he was a black teen who wore a hoodie.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There is a genuinely despicable effort on the part of elements of the right to demonize the victim, simply because he was a black teen who wore a hoodie.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

There is a genuinely despicable effort on the part of elements of the right to demonize the victim, simply because he was a black teen who wore a hoodie.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

What would you call the liberal efforts to try case in the media and/or leverage it for political gain? It's a questionable shooting with a seemingly shoddy follow up investigation, yet it's been hyped up to such levels of hyperbole that the president felt the need to weigh in and some people are calling for blood in the streets. What the right is doing here is counter-spin, that doesn't make some of it any less despicable, but the fact that they're on the defensive here against a heavily exploited tragedy being aimed at them ought to count for something.

What would you call the liberal efforts to try case in the media and/or leverage it for political gain? It's a questionable shooting with a seemingly shoddy follow up investigation, yet it's been hyped up to such levels of hyperbole that the president felt the need to weigh in and some people are calling for blood in the streets. What the right is doing here is counter-spin, that doesn't make some of it any less despicable, but the fact that they're on the defensive here against a heavily exploited tragedy being aimed at them ought to count for something.

I wouldn’t really need a sub-machinegun to kill off several people. As riflemen go, I consider myself only fair to maybe good on a good day. Give me a concealed vantage point over a high pedestrian traffic area and my old pre-WW1 Swedish Mauser (a 6.5mm five shot bolt action rifle with open sights) and I can hit people out to 300+ yards all day as long as they present themselves. That would go on until I ran out of ammo or the cops finally manned up and stopped me.

The lesson there is that the weapon is only as dangerous as the user. Give a street creep a sub-machinegun with a 30 round mag and I doubt he’d hit but a few people with fatal or disabling hits and probably half of those 30 rounds would miss entirely due to lack of control and generally poor tactics.

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Dear Tadzio,

In light of you citing Simon's straw man (which I ceremoniously debunked) as the basis for your jejune polemic of rapidly diminishing consequence, I've concluded that we'll just have to agree to disagree before this "discussion" of ours degenerates any further.

I'm also bringing our exchange to the attention of the WP moderators, so if you want to roll the dice by continuing to behave in a boorish manner, be my guest. 7 or 11. Snake eyes watching you.

Regards,
CoMF

Oh, you two think I should just leave any social forum instead of me following the practice of "Stand Your Ground" in a social forum when someone threatens to club me to death just like baby seals are clubbed to death!! !! On a lonely street, that's very good advice if escape is possible, but on a social forum, it's giving the threatening person incentive to practice threats of deadly violence to get their way, which, if frequently successful, will carryover onto the street and give the violence prone individual enticement to practice in actuality the deadly violence they preach.

So much for the "defend yourself doctrine" sans intense hypocrisy? Just let the internet bullies have their way in clubbing any different people based on protected categories and with any different political/religious/philosophical opinions? And by all means, don't cite any facts that might make them think outside their protective bubble, or they might run crying to any pseudo-KKK for "protection", which will perhaps illegally retaliate for them?