Is being gay wrong?

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LOL.

good one, postperson.

Well...I thought it was his finger, but it was pretty dark...and why was it so sticky on the end?

For your information, I'm a female. Would it kill you to look at my profile to find out?

And just what the hell do you mean by 'sticky at the end', Tom?? What are you getting at?

Me? Cowardly and vile? Whatever. Look in the mirror, Postperson. You've been abusing people on this topic long before I got here. You seem to think you're so dam*ed special flaunting your "I'm entitled to everything" and "Do as I say" attitude (more like BS, really). . Arrogant hypocrite...

I wasn't trying to hide anything from anyone. Had that been my intention, I would have denied everything. My beef with you had no place in this thread, but since you have chosen to make it public, then I will play along.

Hmph. They get rid of the ignore button and yet the site is still slow as can be...

Maybe you didn't stop to think that I couldn't find the site rules? No, of course you didn't.

Why then tokaia did you post this in reply to me "if you were a man (i dont know if you are or not)" when my profile says im male and i have a mans name. My male pride was hurt.

do we think we can get back on topic, chaps, and take the personal to-ing and fro-ing elsewhere?

tokaia - if you can't access the guidelines, i (or anyone who can) could cut and paste them here, if that helps.

The debate on whether or not Christians are supposed to follow the Jewish law is interesting, but it does ignore the larger question of why agnostics and atheists should be expected to follow them. Isn't it hypocritical for a Christian to say he or she is exempt from the Old Testament laws against eating shellfish, wearing pearls or blended fabrics, etc. but then to use that exact same set of laws to condemn homosexuals?

"Unlikely theories" is an interesting choice of words coming from people who think the earth was created and fully populated in 6 days.

That quote belongs on a bumper sticker....

I've seen that same argument used by people who don't like cross-racial and/or foreign adoptions. I still think it boils down to jealousy.

Ultimately it doesn't matter whether or not a nuclear family is better or not as even a single gay man makes a better parent than an orphanage. As long as there are tens of thousands of kids on the waiting list that white hetero couples refuse to adopt then I don't think the argument of which family provides a better environment has any relevance at all. In fact, I'd like to see the government assign adoptees using a lottery so that parents don't get to choose the cute, healthy 6-month-old baby and leave the fetal-alcohol-syndrome 5-year-old to rot in the government care facilities.

Huh? What people? I don't believe in creation. I'm not anti gay, I just can't belive that the bible can be intepreted as not being so, and that site was pretty far fetched.

You can argue that it's descrimination but i think it is wrong to presume everyone who disagrees is jealous just because they dont agree with you. That makes it just look like your spitting the dummy out.

The lottery idea is very noble but i think that will just lead to less people adopting and more kids in the orphanage.

THE PRESS — New Zealand— 17 AUG 2005 — Page 3
Capill appeal over sentence dismays critics

SEAN SCANLON

Disgraced pillar of the community Graham Capill is appealing against his nine-year jail sentence for molesting three young girls, calling it "manifestly excessive".

The one-time moral crusader was imprisoned last month for rape, sexual violations and indecent assaults on girls aged between five and 11 that occurred over a span roughly coinciding with Capill's leadership of the Christian Heritage Party.

Critics yesterday said Capill should serve his sentence without protest.

His lawyer, Jonathan Eaton, confirmed yesterday that documents were lodged with the Court of Appeal last week. He would argue the sentence was "manifestly excessive". Eaton declined to supply copies of the court documents.

No date for a hearing had been set, and Eaton said the documents did not include a recommended length of sentence.

A court spokeswoman confirmed it had received the appeal, but it could not release the documents.

After last month's sentencing, Capill issued a written apology that read: "I know many people looked to me as a campaigner for moral values. I recognise the utter hypocrisy between what I said in public and what I did privately."

The manager of the Male Survivors of Sexual Abuse Trust, Ken Clearwater, said Capill's sentence was fair, considering the crimes he had committed.

"I think he should just shut his mouth and do his time. It's certainly not an excessive sentence," Clearwater said.

"He is still at the stage of apologising to everybody in New Zealand, but there has never been an apology to his victims. The longer he stays in prison, the better it will be for everyone."

The Press understands Capill has been in Rolleston Prison's Rata unit -- described by one source yesterday as "the luxury unit" -- for older men convicted of sex offences.

The Corrections Department does not comment on where individual inmates are housed.

Sensible Sentencing Trust spokesman Garth McVicar said Capill had to be "joking".

"Capill is in absolute denial about what he did. I would encourage the Appeal Court to increase his sentence, which they have the power to do," McVicar said.

Given Capill's high profile, it was important he got a long term to show people they must take responsibility for their actions, he said. "We have to make an example of Capill, if we are going to reduce offending at all."

A prominent lobby group against child sex abuse has reacted with dismay to Capill's appeal. Denise Ritchie, of the Stop Demand Foundation, said Capill's claim that his sentence was excessive was "extremely disappointing".

"The lodgement of an appeal is also extremely disappointing for his victims," she said.

Sentencing Capill last month, Judge Robert Kerr described the offending as disgraceful, grave, violent and cruel. He criticised Capill for an email to supporters that suggested some of the sexual offending was consensual.

"It's nonsense to say there could be consent. What you did was premeditated," the judge said.

He imposed a sentence of nine years, but did not set a minimum non-parole period, meaning Capill will become eligible for release after three years.

I suspect that the 6 days of creation was not literal. The best available evidence suggests that the universe is about 14-20 billion years old, but varous "unlikely" archeological discoveries that support some claims previously thought to be far-fetched sugest that the Earth is orders of magnitude younger than believed. There is a new theory that allows this to be possible because it is possible for a gas and dust cloud around a start to collapse around a planetoid and form a planet in as little as a couple thousand years. [/tangent]

When I was in high school (20 years ago) I had to get a permission slip signed by my parents before I could enroll in either biology or geology because some fundamentalists had accused the school board of interfering in their freedom of religion and "subverting" their children by teaching them about things like Darwin or metamorphic rocks. And I wasn't even living in the "bible belt". There really are congregations that take Genesis as the literal word-for-word truth, and think it's a blasphemy to say it took more than 6 days to make the world, whether you think it was really thousands of years or billions of years.

Just two weeks ago (when discussing the religious litmus test for Supreme Court nominees), USA President George Bush told a bunch of reporters that he thought schools should be teaching students that the 'Intelligent Design" theory (ie: the world is complicated because God made it that way) is a scientific equivalent to Darwinism, and allow them to make up their own mind which theory is correct. Back when Bush was the Governor of Texas he was a proponent of teaching "creationism" in the Texas school system.

Sex came before marriage.