Facts about racism
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You have two options, Bill. You may pick one, and only one. Two shalt thou not pick, nor is zero an acceptable answer.
1) Call me a white nationalist member of the "Alt-Right".
2) Admit that such an implication is ridiculous, that the above statement is an especially flimsy genetic fallacy, and that you're so massively out of your depth here that you have no choice but to crassly attempt to draw a line between me and white nationalists.
If you lack the courage to pick either then I believe you know exactly what that says about you and your principles.
I don't know what your personal values and politics are, so I'm not going to be bullied into choosing one or the other. I'm just stating how your rhetoric on this subject parrots that used by Alt Right white nationalists.
Holy climbdown, Batman. We'll mark you down as a "2" then.
Which opinions, policies and values have I attributed to you that haven't sprung from your own keystrokes?
I'm not a conservative. Nor am I a Conservative (for the sake of clarity).
If I had to pigeon-hole myself - which, for the record, I steadfastly do not, as political opinions are subject to experience and knowledge - you might consider me a Classical Liberal, though it's not an exact fit by any measure.
Oh, very much in the British sense. But again, it's by no means a perfect moniker.
You'd probably be right at home in the UK, though I think we're on the verge of a Libertarian revolt against the establishment.
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White people should not feel guilt. You didn't do anything wrong. It's ok to be proud, just don't think you're superior.
It's fine to make racial jokes, just don't take them serious. Stop walking on eggshells out of fear of being labeled a nazi.
We all need to learn to laugh at ourselves and lighten up.
I can't be with a white man who has so much guilt and no backbone (does that make me a racist for only dating white men?)
I feel bad for Germans, they can't even have their own flags in their yards without being labeled a nazi. If we keep dwelling in the past, we will never move forward.
The signs are that Germany might be ready to shed some of its collective guilt as a result of Merkel's catastrophic policies. She may end up doing more good than harm in the long-run.
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It's fine to make racial jokes, just don't take them serious. Stop walking on eggshells out of fear of being labeled a nazi.
We all need to learn to laugh at ourselves and lighten up.
I can't be with a white man who has so much guilt and no backbone (does that make me a racist for only dating white men?)
I feel bad for Germans, they can't even have their own flags in their yards without being labeled a nazi. If we keep dwelling in the past, we will never move forward.
I agree. It's just that conservatives accuse white liberals of white guilt, and black liberals of playing the race card, when they simply want to acknowledge past wrongs and to correct them.
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Here's a fact about racism, although it's more of a fact about psychology. People who understand cognitive bias have a chance of finding a way to address it; people who wish to redefine their biases as facts will not have that chance.
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Was there a particular day when the people running the police forces stopped supporting the Klan wholesale? Anaheim, CA was dominated by them not long before I was born. This idea that the most obvious harm of racism was in the past is absurd.
People alive today got attacked for attempting to register to vote. They could not get certain jobs, and their children could not get home loans due to the redlining practices of banks. This persisted until the Clinton administration. Claims by First Peoples against the BIA for massive fraud were mostly resolved at long last under the Obama administration.
Stereotype threat is a well-documented phenomenon in social psychology, and demonstrates real harm done to real people by persistent stereotypes of their cultures by the dominant culture of America.
To answer my own question, some were purged, some left, and some got promoted. Rage Against the Machine was not just making stuff up when they said that some of them that run forces are the same that burn crosses. The last place that progress arrives is in the communities with the least political power. Politicians will find it convenient to use them as punching bags as long as they can't obtain political power.
It is necessary to say specifically that Black Lives Matter because the statistics show that black lives do not matter as much. It's actually more relevant to say that First People's Lives Matter, if you look at the death penalties carried out since the 1970s. No one has ever been executed for murdering an Indian.
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That's true. Of course they still might not address it, as is the case with my mom my eldest aunt (my mom is 43 this year and my aunt will be turning 39). They both majored in psychology (my aunt graduated with her BA in 2002 and my mom graduated with her masters in 2007) and I know both understand cognitive biases but they refuse to address theirs. They are insanely conservative and see nothing wrong with police brutality. Of course my mom is nearly obsessed with respecting people who "protect us." She nearly blew a gasket denying it when I said sexism was a huge problem with firefighters and that sexual harassment is incredibly common. She tried to claim it was like those free lance fire jumpers and not REAL firefighters.
Any attempt to criticise the police, firefighters, or any military branch makes my mom defensive.
Anyways my point is they both understand cognitive biases but neither address theirs.
I didn't know the term when I started addressing mine, I've just been very logical my entire life and find it easy to change my perspective when confronted with facts. My opinions shift regularly (not usually insanely but opinions on certain aspects of larger options shift regularly) based on what I learn.
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There was a discussion about individual and structural racism, which I can't locate now. I have some further thoughts on the subject. Yesterday, I watched an introductory lecture on complexity theory to see if I wanted to look at more videos in the series.
Mulling the lecture over, I realized that we can usefully partition our thinking into analytical, reductionist thinking which leads to individual attitudes, and systems thinking which leads to structural racism. Confusing the two causes problems, because the two systems of organization differ in important ways.
If we take the analytical, reductionist approach, we have to decide when any individual's attitudes or behavior crosses a line into racism. Seems simple in theory, but put it into practice in a complex system, and you end up with what we have now: a lot of accusations and a lot of resentful people. We don't have the kind of well defined linear function for society that will let us translate between the two ways of thinking, and complexity theory suggests that we never will.
Asserting that only white people can be racist is a racist thing to say, but not for the reasons people usually put forth. Adding up all the power and resources controlled by white people would lead to the analytical, reductionist conclusion that white people have enough dominance to impose their hierarchy everywhere. So, white people are all powerful? That sounds pretty racist to me. It also sounds just like the old White Man's Burden, clumsily trying to become nicer. It's like the casual racism of super-privileged elites trying to be generous to "savages," or a promising academic who got blacklisted for promoting ideas of scientific racism held dear by their beloved mentor.
Anyone can participate individually in structural racism, within a well-defined system. Consider the situation of a hafu in Japan. Within that system, Japanese has the same qualities that White has in the US. It is the ideal, and one drop of other blood excludes people from being Japanese in some but not all important ways.
The promoters of scientific racism want us to get caught up in an argument about nationality, ethnicity, and race, and plenty of opponents will engage in that argument. Not me. It looks like more attempts to apply reductionism to a phenomenon which will produce more useful insights from complex adaptive systems thinking.
This provides an answer to the question of how we can have structural racism without labeling so many people as individually racist by association with a group.
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I watched Birth of a Movement, a documentary about the response to Birth of a Nation by DW Griffith. In the film, Spike Lee recounts seeing it in class at film school. The professor only talked about its importance as the first feature film, and the techniques invented for the film. When Spike started asking questions, which probably related to the horrible racism in the film, the professor got defensive and shut him down. It's literally a propaganda film for the KKK which depicts all the worst racist stereotypes of black people and promotes a revisionist history of Reconstruction which persists to this day, but the school wanted to present it without that context as recently as when Spike Lee was a student.
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Woodrow Wilson, who was a Titan among racists, endorsed the film, calling it history written in lightning.
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African-Americans are more likely than white people to be wrongfully convicted.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-c ... SKBN16E0H2
"In the murder cases we examined, the rate of official misconduct is considerably higher in cases where the defendant is African-American compared to cases where the defendant is white," said Samuel Gross, a University of Michigan Law School professor who is senior editor of the group that tracks U.S. exonerations.
He said unconscious bias, institutional discrimination and explicit racism, were factors in some of the wrongful convictions.
When it comes to drug crimes, black Americans are about 12 times more likely to be wrongfully convicted than innocent white people, the study said.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-c ... SKBN16E0H2
"In the murder cases we examined, the rate of official misconduct is considerably higher in cases where the defendant is African-American compared to cases where the defendant is white," said Samuel Gross, a University of Michigan Law School professor who is senior editor of the group that tracks U.S. exonerations.
He said unconscious bias, institutional discrimination and explicit racism, were factors in some of the wrongful convictions.
When it comes to drug crimes, black Americans are about 12 times more likely to be wrongfully convicted than innocent white people, the study said.
AA are more likely to commit murder, although it is mostly against each other. I wonder if people just see some criminal blacks and lump them all together, although murder is such a minuscule crime by numbers. I have read that men are more likely to be charged and convicted with crimes, wonder if there is a connection?
How much power and influence do the KKK have in the US, let alone in high positions in politics? Why get so obsessed about something that has no power?
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In one case, the Jewish cemetery was not vandalized as reported. I read the story from a reputable source; find your reputable source on this one, because it's real. Yep, someone saw a bunch of toppled headstones and reported it as vandalism in one case. Turns out, the headstones had been like that for a long time with no complaints. Undeniably, the number of reported bomb threats has tripled since Trump's election; undeniably, various non-xians have experienced more arson, vandalism, and so on, and the rate of increase is increasing.
I guess some will say it's all liberals, or mostly liberals, doing false flag operations?
On to more interesting topics. People who have not cared much, now care more. Thank you, president Trump.
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