22 Jul 2013, 8:45 pm
22 Jul 2013, 9:16 pm
Greb wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Dantac wrote:
err... just how do you think someone being accosted by a stranger (as Z was to T ) with a weapon drawn ends up in a fistfight where the gun holder? More importantly, how could it possibly end up in a situation where the gun holder is on the ground getting his face pummeled rather than GETTING the gun away from him being the primary struggle? Z wouldve had bruises in his weapon arm if that was the case.
Too easy. The first example in this video.
Fine. Go to some gang or drug area in your city, disarm some guy there and then come back here to tell the experience.
'Too easy'. Dear god. Hollywood, too much Hollywood...
I hate to use clips from movies as examples but this drill is a much more practical and safe alternative to the same scenario that Max0000's video portrays.
The only thing wrong in a real world scenario is the coupe de grace he gave T1 when he retrieves the briefcase at the end.
Other than that it was very well executed from any practical perspective. I've practiced this by myself and with others.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiqwF_Y9S5Q[/youtube]
22 Jul 2013, 9:29 pm
Raptor wrote:
Greb wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Dantac wrote:
err... just how do you think someone being accosted by a stranger (as Z was to T ) with a weapon drawn ends up in a fistfight where the gun holder? More importantly, how could it possibly end up in a situation where the gun holder is on the ground getting his face pummeled rather than GETTING the gun away from him being the primary struggle? Z wouldve had bruises in his weapon arm if that was the case.
Too easy. The first example in this video.
Fine. Go to some gang or drug area in your city, disarm some guy there and then come back here to tell the experience.
'Too easy'. Dear god. Hollywood, too much Hollywood...
I hate to use clips from movies as examples but this drill is a much more practical and safe alternative to the same scenario that Max0000's video portrays.
The only thing wrong in a real world scenario is the coupe de grace he gave T1 when he retrieves the briefcase at the end.
Other than that it was very well executed from any practical perspective. I've practiced this by myself and with others.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiqwF_Y9S5Q[/youtube]
There are plenty of instruction videos that show in detail how to do it better then that movie scene. It's too bad that Martin hadn't seen some of them. If he had he would be alive today, and Zimmerman would be in the ground. Of course Martin being black would not have gotten acquitted. But at least he would be alive, and that racist piece of s**t Zimmerman would be dead.
22 Jul 2013, 9:45 pm
Raptor wrote:
Greb wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Dantac wrote:
err... just how do you think someone being accosted by a stranger (as Z was to T ) with a weapon drawn ends up in a fistfight where the gun holder? More importantly, how could it possibly end up in a situation where the gun holder is on the ground getting his face pummeled rather than GETTING the gun away from him being the primary struggle? Z wouldve had bruises in his weapon arm if that was the case.
Too easy. The first example in this video.
Fine. Go to some gang or drug area in your city, disarm some guy there and then come back here to tell the experience.
'Too easy'. Dear god. Hollywood, too much Hollywood...
I hate to use clips from movies as examples but this drill is a much more practical and safe alternative to the same scenario that Max0000's video portrays.
The only thing wrong in a real world scenario is the coupe de grace he gave T1 when he retrieves the briefcase at the end.
Other than that it was very well executed from any practical perspective. I've practiced this by myself and with others.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiqwF_Y9S5Q[/youtube]
I'm always have seen a problem with all this techniques: they're based in a well defined scenario. From the very beginning is clear that we're dealing with a fight.
Street fights are often not-well defined scenarios. Violence scalates progressively, it's not clear if something is gonna lead to physical violence or not, and often during the 'threatening' phase people gets very close to each other physically. And martial arts don't deal that well with melee or floor fight, they need some distance between opponents to do their best.
Probably Z was trying to avoid the fight, so he left M to bump into him. Once in the floor, in melee and half knocked, martial arts are not that useful. Martin was knocking his head, and this case you can't think clearly. Everything is blurry. So, unless you're really good at martial arts, so they have become instinctive and you don't need to think, you're done. Your best option is trying to reach your gun and shot.
22 Jul 2013, 9:55 pm
Max000 wrote:
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There are plenty of instruction videos that show in detail how to do it better then that movie scene.
Your video or mine? Mine actually is at least tactically feasible.
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It's too bad that Martin hadn't seen some of them.
You're suggesting that Martin should have been armed now.
Hmmmmm........
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If he had he would be alive today, and Zimmerman would be in the ground.
Maybe, maybe not.
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Of course Martin being black would not have gotten acquitted.
Do you actually think if it had been Martin in Zimmerman's shoes in the same trial with all the same players that he would have been convicted on race?
We're talking about the homeland of Mickey Mouse, Pluto, and Donald Duck in the year 2013, not apartheid South Africa in the 80's.
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But at least he would be alive, and that racist piece of sh** Zimmerman would be dead.
Zimmerman is from a racially diverse family. How long are you and yours going to continue to bring race into this?
It really is getting very tedious.
22 Jul 2013, 11:33 pm
22 Jul 2013, 11:46 pm
Raptor wrote:
How long are you and yours going to continue to bring race into this?
It really is getting very tedious.
It really is getting very tedious.
As long as the polls continue to look like this, and this country remains the raciest s**thole that it is.
23 Jul 2013, 2:12 am
23 Jul 2013, 2:40 am
Max000 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
How long are you and yours going to continue to bring race into this?
It really is getting very tedious.
It really is getting very tedious.
As long as the polls continue to look like this, and this country remains the raciest s**thole that it is.
As long as the polls look like that we know we are still living in a free country the truth hurts now do something besides try to make criminals into victims and victims into criminals. Black people don't deserve any special treatment anymore than Asians whites arabs or latinos until people like you understand that there will always be racism there are no special people.
23 Jul 2013, 2:50 am
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23 Jul 2013, 11:04 am
LKL wrote:
@ Max: the injuries on the police videos don't look fake to me, but neither do they look like he was in any significant peril.
Seriously? How about you go to the roughest part of your town tonight and when you get jumped do kindly resist and fight. Then come back and tell me you did not feel you were in any significant peril.
After all, when your face is getting bashed in and slammed on the pavement it is nothing but foreplay isn't it?
