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15 Dec 2010, 11:52 pm

Bataar wrote:
We do not have a revenue problem.

And the sheeplike bleating of slogans by the Right continues unabated. Master_Pedant, if you are reading this, take note—this is why the Right wins the propaganda war even in instances where their position is not only wrong, but utterly insane.

First off, even after completely eliminating all federal entitlements and slashing the military budget, we still have budget problems, but there is exactly one person in the federal government (Ron Paul) who would ever support such an extreme measure. The Republican politicians whose claims that "we do not have a revenue problem" you knuckleheads keep parroting do not support dismantling Social Security and Medicare, or most of the other federal entitlement programs. This right-wing claim that our government can be fully funded on a lower tax base than we have now is a lie, plain and simple. Even further so because they have no plans to actually cut spending in any meaningful way; any money they take away from social programs is just going to go into the military anyways.


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16 Dec 2010, 12:20 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
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I haven't avoided the question, even if you tax the "rich" at 100% of their income the entitlements that you are so fond of can't be covered. We can't afford it.

That wasn't my question, and quit making unfounded assumptions about what programs I do or do not support. My question was, if we didn't have the entitlement programs at all, would current government revenues (less those taxes directly tied to entitlement spending, such as the Social Security withholding) suffice to pay for everything else the government does? If not, on what basis do we "not have a revenue problem" and instead only have a "spending problem," and why are entitlements the sole culprit?

You have so consistently either misunderstood or ignored my question that I can only assume that you are either a liar or an idiot.


There is one option you haven't considered - that is, Inuyasha being a secrete Communist agent. Think about it, he attacks one of the most effective anti-Communists of the last thirty years (George Soros) and gives such reprehensible, irrelevant, fallacious, and absurd arguments for chandelier conservatism that he actually turns people off from healthy capitalism in the process! His goal is, ever so subversively, left-radicalizing the masses through rightwing actions! :P

I already beat you to this hypothesis. :)



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16 Dec 2010, 1:12 am

The so-called Entitlements are very stimulative. Getting rid of them or weakening them would damage the economy significantly. So forget it! That's unless economic damage is desired.



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16 Dec 2010, 1:47 am

number5 wrote:
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We do not have a revenue problem. If we cut only entitlements, correct, we would still be in the red, which is why more would need to be cut. The federal government is involved in so much more than it should, it's crazy. Look at the bill that just got passed that involves the federal government even more so in school lunches. There's no reason for the federal government to be involved in issues like that.


Which part of the "Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act" is so horrible? The updating of nutritional guidelines? Improving food safety? Are you even familiar with the garbage most schools serve their kids?


What part of unconstitutional power grab do you not understand?

It is stupid programs like that which are why we are in debt. Furthermore, did anyone stop and consider that kids in Alaska have a different diet from kids in Hawaii?

@ Master_Pedant & LKL

Sorry, but Soros is a One World Government Fanatic, I'm not a communist btw considering the fact that I would have to be for Government Control of everything, which so happens to be your positions, not mine.

@ xenon13

These entitlements encourage people not to try to find work, they pay people to do nothing but sit around and drink beer.



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16 Dec 2010, 2:30 am

These entitlements supposedly encourage people to not find work yet the government wants a reserve army of labour as its devotion to NAIRU proves. That NAIRU is implemented proves therefore that there really are not enough jobs for everyone and that is by design. Therefore it is immoral to deliberately make sure there's unemployment and insist that these people live on nothing.

That's beside the point anyway when it comes to cold-blooded economic management, unemployment benefits are stimulative, removing them will serve to cause more unemployment and damage the economy.



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16 Dec 2010, 2:53 am

xenon13 wrote:
These entitlements supposedly encourage people to not find work yet the government wants a reserve army of labour as its devotion to NAIRU proves. That NAIRU is implemented proves therefore that there really are not enough jobs for everyone and that is by design. Therefore it is immoral to deliberately make sure there's unemployment and insist that these people live on nothing.

That's beside the point anyway when it comes to cold-blooded economic management, unemployment benefits are stimulative, removing them will serve to cause more unemployment and damage the economy.



Yes the lizard people want a supply of slave labor and food. :roll:

You are referring to an economic theory, and quite frankly you are being paranoid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAIRU



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16 Dec 2010, 3:59 am

Inuyasha wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
These entitlements supposedly encourage people to not find work yet the government wants a reserve army of labour as its devotion to NAIRU proves. That NAIRU is implemented proves therefore that there really are not enough jobs for everyone and that is by design. Therefore it is immoral to deliberately make sure there's unemployment and insist that these people live on nothing.

That's beside the point anyway when it comes to cold-blooded economic management, unemployment benefits are stimulative, removing them will serve to cause more unemployment and damage the economy.



Yes the lizard people want a supply of slave labor and food. :roll:

You are referring to an economic theory, and quite frankly you are being paranoid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAIRU


He's right. Our government (over the decades) has put us in a pretty fix. We need people to keep on buying in order to keep the pot boiling. Real wages have become stagnant since 1970 (or there abouts) so to keep the purchasing power of the former middle class and underpaid working class existent the government has to "lend" money (with no definite payback terms) to those who are currently broke or strapped. This perverse situation has killed the savings rate in this country (the U.S.) which was never that high to begin with.

We are in effect like a dope addict who will die if we do not get a minimal "fix".

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