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13 Apr 2012, 12:28 pm

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Obama advocates for equal pay for women, doesn't practice this in the White House:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128513/Women-paid-significantly-Obama-White-House-male-counterparts.html

Now... start the excuses!


So I assume this is so important that it doesn't count as a derailment of the thread topic? (taking notes)


Um, feminism? How was my post off-topic again?


This is an example of why power is a/the focus of feminism. It's currently unequally distributed along gender lines.



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13 Apr 2012, 12:40 pm

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I don't find stilettos to be uncomfortable in themselves.. it depends on what the top is like, it might squish your toes. But it's not the heel that bothers me personally. Might have to do with ankle strength.


It feels like knives are actually stuck in my heels.

Wow, yeah that does not sound normal. Might just be a particular sensory issue with yourself or possibly a genetic foot-structure issue? They definetely don't feel like that for me.

that sounds more normal than high heels being comfortable. they are unnatural, so if you (or other people) find them comfortable, that seems strange to me.

I don't find them "comfortable" per se but they don't bother me. I have a pair of platform stilettos that are at least 4" high and the most uncomfortable part about it is the peep-toe front which pinches my toes. I go up and down stairs with them and have walked in ice and snow in them. Idk, I probably am the abnormal one. I have thick ankles and large feet for a woman (practically men-sized). Perhaps this gives me a more stable base :P

I wear whatever shoes I feel like at the time. I've worn mens sneakers a lot and usually wear what is most comfortable but I also have some heels for when I'm in a different mood. Right now I'm wearing combat boots. Bit of a heel/platform on them. *shrug*


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13 Apr 2012, 12:43 pm

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... otice.html

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Don't bother with the high heels ladies, men don't even notice!
Women who hope a pair of killer heels will help them attract a man are wasting their time, it is claimed.
Apparently men cannot tell from the way a woman walks whether she is wearing high heels.
Experts at Northumbria University have studied the male reactions when watching some women walking in high heels and others without heels.
The tests looked at whether the change in body posture brought about by wearing heels, such as the illusion of longer legs, tilting torso and more prominent rear, sends a signal which has an effect on men.
However, male observers in the experiment were unable to tell which of the subjects were wearing heels.


Haha this is hilarious. I think I'd easily be able to tell by the way she walks but it's interesting to note that many people can't. Do women really wear them with the intent of attracting a man? The thought that the type of shoes I'm wearing might make a man notice me had not crossed my mind lol


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13 Apr 2012, 1:09 pm

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Well, speaking of the Devil

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... otice.html

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Don't bother with the high heels ladies, men don't even notice!
Women who hope a pair of killer heels will help them attract a man are wasting their time, it is claimed.
Apparently men cannot tell from the way a woman walks whether she is wearing high heels.
Experts at Northumbria University have studied the male reactions when watching some women walking in high heels and others without heels.
The tests looked at whether the change in body posture brought about by wearing heels, such as the illusion of longer legs, tilting torso and more prominent rear, sends a signal which has an effect on men.
However, male observers in the experiment were unable to tell which of the subjects were wearing heels.


Haha this is hilarious. I think I'd easily be able to tell by the way she walks but it's interesting to note that many people can't. Do women really wear them with the intent of attracting a man? The thought that the type of shoes I'm wearing might make a man notice me had not crossed my mind lol


Cum to think of it, I do know of men who are foot-fetishists. I'm not, but I don't know how common the trait is. Perhaps some of these men are spontaneously aroused by women in high-heeled shoes. I would rather look at a woman in flat sandals, or flip-flops, or barefoot. Or, for formal occasions, athletic shoes would be the foot attire of preference.

I'm much more of an ass-man myself. I know that a lot of women put a lot of effort into the public presentation of their posteriors, and the effort is very much appreciated--internally, that is. Far be it from me to approach a random woman and compliment her on her buttocks presentation.

Women also go to a lot of trouble to make their jugglies appear inflated. Please don't undergo cosmetic surgery for my sake.



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13 Apr 2012, 1:26 pm

^ The angle of high-heeled shoes can make your calves look more toned due to the muscle being tensed in order to keep your balance. The same goes for the glutes. Perhaps men don't notice this, or maybe they do and just have no idea that it's brought on by the heels.

Also, could you please write the word "come" correctly? >< cum is something different.


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13 Apr 2012, 1:29 pm

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^ The angle of high-heeled shoes can make your calves look more toned due to the muscle being tensed in order to keep your balance. The same goes for the glutes. Perhaps men don't notice this, or maybe they do and just have no idea that it's brought on by the heels.

Also, could you please write the word "come" correctly? >< cum is something different.


Oh, they (I) do.



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13 Apr 2012, 1:33 pm

The study linked above indicates they don't.


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13 Apr 2012, 1:51 pm

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^ The angle of high-heeled shoes can make your calves look more toned due to the muscle being tensed in order to keep your balance. The same goes for the glutes. Perhaps men don't notice this, or maybe they do and just have no idea that it's brought on by the heels.


Oh, I definitely notice. My wife walks totally differently with high heels, and it's all good.


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13 Apr 2012, 2:33 pm

i really, really don't understand what is supposed to be attractive about high heels. i also don't get why any person would willing wear something that limits their movement, puts them slightly off balance, risks injury in the short and long term, and puts them at a major disadvantage in any slight emergency situation. i find it very absurd.


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13 Apr 2012, 2:35 pm

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i really, really don't understand what is supposed to be attractive about high heels. i also don't get why any person would willing wear something that limits their movement, puts them slightly off balance, risks injury in the short and long term, and puts them at a major disadvantage in any slight emergency situation. i find it very absurd.


At one time, men were the ones wearing high heels as normal fashion


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13 Apr 2012, 2:37 pm

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i really, really don't understand what is supposed to be attractive about high heels. i also don't get why any person would willing wear something that limits their movement, puts them slightly off balance, risks injury in the short and long term, and puts them at a major disadvantage in any slight emergency situation. i find it very absurd.


At one time, men were the ones wearing high heels as normal fashion

yeah, that's why i said "any person". some men still do wear them and i know that historically they were popular with men. i don't get it at all...


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13 Apr 2012, 2:39 pm

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i really, really don't understand what is supposed to be attractive about high heels. i also don't get why any person would willing wear something that limits their movement, puts them slightly off balance, risks injury in the short and long term, and puts them at a major disadvantage in any slight emergency situation. i find it very absurd.


At one time, men were the ones wearing high heels as normal fashion

yeah, that's why i said "any person". some men still do wear them and i know that historically they were popular with men. i don't get it at all...


I don't know, but the male standard was once pretty foppish. They made metrosexuals look pretty tame. And they were devoutly religious to boot


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13 Apr 2012, 2:39 pm

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i really, really don't understand what is supposed to be attractive about high heels. i also don't get why any person would willing wear something that limits their movement, puts them slightly off balance, risks injury in the short and long term, and puts them at a major disadvantage in any slight emergency situation. i find it very absurd.
It is the difficulty to walk. It has consequences in the way you move your ass. Yes, really. Just for that reason women are supposed to go through torture when "elegant".

Men version of high heels is a lot more comfortable because the base involves half of the shoe. The idea there is that you look taller. Which supposedly is a man thing.


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13 Apr 2012, 2:50 pm

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ArrantPariah wrote:
Well, speaking of the Devil

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... otice.html

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Don't bother with the high heels ladies, men don't even notice!
Women who hope a pair of killer heels will help them attract a man are wasting their time, it is claimed.
Apparently men cannot tell from the way a woman walks whether she is wearing high heels.
Experts at Northumbria University have studied the male reactions when watching some women walking in high heels and others without heels.
The tests looked at whether the change in body posture brought about by wearing heels, such as the illusion of longer legs, tilting torso and more prominent rear, sends a signal which has an effect on men.
However, male observers in the experiment were unable to tell which of the subjects were wearing heels.

thank you for this!! !


The good news for some who like high heels.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-the-trenches/200909/the-psychology-women-what-is-the-meaning-high-heels

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What does this all mean? Let’s look at high heels in neuropsychological terms to find out if there could be another explanation for the relationship between women and high heels. At Wroclaw University in Poland, Dr. Pawlowski led a research study to find the formula for the perfect legs and the answer: they need to be longer than your torso, but not to long. Male and female subjects were asked to evaluate the attractiveness of different silhouettes of a man and woman. They found that a person of average height (5ft 4in tall) was rated most attractive when their inside leg measurement was 30.5 in, which is 5% longer than the average leg measurement for a person that size. In other, words you could be more attractive if you could lengthen your legs by a few inches. The study could provide scientific basis for why some people think high heels make a woman more attractive. Interestingly, it showed that very long legs were not as sexy.

And who wouldn’t want to look more beautiful if it means attracting more men and therefore more potential mates!


The bad news for all that like high heels:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/high-heels-bad-for-your-feet_n_1030737.html

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Evidence has confirmed what women have already known for years: uber-high heels are not only painful to wear, but also a hazard to your health. In other news, the sky is still blue.

A recent survey of 1,000 women done by the shoe company MBT found that more than 40% of the high-heel wearers have suffered an accident in them -- most often from falling over, according to the Guardian.

In addition to injuries due to clumsiness, Luisa Dillner writes in the Guardian that heels over three inches carry a health risk. Three inches?! That's what we call a kitten heel.

According to Dillner, heels surpassing the three-inch mark can "seriously increase the pressure on the ball of your foot (up to seven times with heels over 3in high) and affect pretty much every part of your lower body as you walk."

The uneven weight distribution from high heels results in a shorter calf muscle and a thicker Achilles tendon. This makes it extra painful when the foot is flat on the ground and results in sore and inflamed tendons, according to a study in The Journal of Experimental Biology. Bunions and hammer toes are some of the other painful effects from heels.

Previous studies have also proven the inconvenient truths of stilettos, as a similar study out of Harvard found an increased risk for arthritis in one's knees from reckless heel-wearing.

Sounds lovely, doesn't it? And here's the kicker: the guy you're trying to impress with those sexy heels isn't even noticing. Another study showed that men don't even take note when women wear those sky-high pumps.

In conclusion... we will continue to wear high heels.


The reality. Beauty and confidence is in the eye of the beholder. If woman believe that high heels make them look more attractive and they feel more confidence as a result of wearing them, it impacts much more than the way they walk, or the length of their legs. And it doesn't really matter if men like them or not, to this regard. There is a psychological benefit.

However, as to whether or not men actually believe that the women look more attractive in high heels, the recent study was hugely limited in that neither the legs or the feet were exposed. The ornamental effect of high heels draws notice to beautiful legs, just as a diamond studded necklace draws attention to a beautiful neck.

Some men do find woman in high heels more attractive, there is no question about that; but it is certainly , in part, dependent on who the woman wearing the high heels is. Per the study from psychology today, for some with a short torso and longer legs, the impact could be less, as far as how others perceive the attractive "quotient", if there is such a thing.

For many individuals, if one lives long enough avoiding the high heel habit, their body will thank them in later years.

The evidence on that part is conclusive. There is some foot pain, that can become unbearable without intervention; plantar faciitis, is just one of many conditions that become more prevalent in middle age, as the body begins to wear down.

If one is having problems with foot pain at a young age. That's definitely a warning sign, to be heeded, or else to suffer later consequences that some will not consider.

High heels have been the bad news for the biomechanics of the body, for centuries, but the high tech era brings a plethora of potential ergonomic damages, particularly for the hands. Carpal tunnel syndrome in teens, was almost unheard of decades ago.

Body parts wear out when overused, just like machine parts. Tough to have a good quality of life when the hands and feet aren't working properly. Even harder to worry about though, when one is enjoying using them for in manner they weren't evolved for. :)



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13 Apr 2012, 2:53 pm

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Under capitalism the death panel for medicine is not being able to afford to buy insurance..


Hospitals are required under current law to save dying people from dying regardless of payment, and that has long if not always been the case. So, ya, you comment is b.s. If it was deliberate, stop lying, and if it was accidental, research stuff before you post about it.

this is specious at best. Hospitals are required to provide emergency services, such as CPR, but not things like asthma meds or chemotherapy. So, yeah: if you have a curable cancer but can't afford the meds, the local ED will do chest compressions on you when you finally die. They'll perform trauma surgery on you if you're in a car accident before you die. They won't, however, balk at driving you and/or your family into bankruptcy for any of these services.



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13 Apr 2012, 2:56 pm

the psychological benefit of wearing high heels is not really just internal, aghogday. women wouldn't like wearing the heels if they thought men considered them ugly, for example. so it's not really possible to look at it as a purely psychological benefit as it is vetted (is that the right word?) through the real or imagined reactions of other people.


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