People Who have Seen Jesus

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No it is not bloody credible, firstly you do not die and come back to life. Possibly his heart stopped, but not his brain, who knows what hallucinations were going on inside his head. But for you and him to assume that he died went to heaven, talked to god and came back is pure bloody delusion.

NO I am not 'some kind of know it all' but unlike you I use my brain to question the information I am receiving and not accept at first telling some bunch of fanciful BS.

Oh you have one of these?

http://plebiandesign.com/store.html

Oh, I forgot I posted in this thread. I never quite could grasp compatibilism. It just seems like it is based on a foundation of bending the meaning of free will, because it still works from a deterministic perspective, but only considers forced actions and reactions to not be truly free...yet at the same time also acknowledges that actions and reactions have a previous influence. Big mind cramping circle. Is there a headache emoticon?

Curiously, our brain also has a habit of rewriting our memories to fit in with our world view. So even if a memory is utterly false, it's still perceived as true. Which means eye witness testimony has shaky grounds at best...

Gah, it's scary to think of all the false recollections I have.

I can't help but put my two cents in this thread even if it sounds delusional...I don't really expect anyone to understand and I'm not a believer myself...it's just the feelings involved. Only mind never involved jesus..it involves people in my family that're gone now. Lately I've been having a lot of dreams of my granny. It seems so vivid and real until I wake up...even then it takes a while for me to get back tor reality.

Now being that I'm upset over her death, I rationalize this dream of how she was always there with me until her death. That I'm not use to her being gone and the tragedy has affected the way I think about her. Sometimes I wonder if it's a question of the brain rather than it being a question of delusion. Some of us are may be more prone to using the emotional side than the analytical one. As for religious dogma, I think that involves something completely different all together. Personal meaning and going by "spiritual" rules from a book seem to be in complete opposites from eachother...even though you'll hear a religious fundie use their experience to sway you into believing that thier religion is right. Not that I'm saying all christians do this for attention. It just very well could mean that culture, religion, and emotions are at work thus the "fuzzy experiences" people describe that seem real to them.

Anyway, I've always been fascinated in the human brain and why we're so different when it comes to our own personal feelings and delusions. Some people are probably not as emotionally inclined as others thus the analytical side is mostly at work. But don't quote me on that...these are just questions I often ask myself.

I want one, but I want mine to show Mary having premarital sex

Ave Maria! She proved that abstinence is 99.99 percent effective birth control.

ruveyn

Now let me guess, the 0.01% is due to "Holy" insemination? xD

That's the third time you posted that exact thought - enough, already!!

Worst excuse for getting knocked up ever!

Joseph: hey uhh.... I couldn't help but notice your kind of pregnant, normally it wouldn't be a big deal but.... well its just that I've been away on business most of this year...
So uhhh.....yeah whats goin on with that... "Hunny"


Mary: ummmm.......... god did it?

the whole virgin birth can be explained easily, pourous hymen. The human hymen is not just a patch of flesh, its a pourous skin covering, the pores big enough to allow sperm to enter the body. All that had to be done was semen to be around the entrace and it simply went in, consider this, Mary is going at it with her BF but since they are married, he can't pentrate her, so all he is doing is rubbing on top, he comes, semen slides inside, goes through the hymen and 9 months later, jesus.

An entirely plausible situation yes.


Or..... she could have done the deed with some disembodied cosmic entity, whom being all knowing measured the consequences of the act decided to do it anyways. You know, a new religeon that would by happenstance become the dominant ethos of much of the world but which espouses denial, submission, and pretty much all sorts of self-torture as well as alot of other things most modern humans would consider "evil" if it wasn't associated with said religeon. Spawning all sorts of attrocities such as holy wars, witch burnings, etc.
So basically thats how we know god is male, because after knowing all that he did it anyways for he was thinking with his lower extremeties and not his mind.

btw this was meant to be a playfully humorous jab, so yeah please take it as such.
I am aware that people are capable of all manner of attrocities on their own so I'm not exactly serious here

But the problem of Joseph remains. What kind of husband was he to have no sexual relations with his wife? Was he gay? Was he uninterested in sex? Why did he get married? A most peculiar marriage.

They had sex after Jesus was born.

Although you seem quite confident about this a brief look at sources indicates very little information about the situation. A mention is made that he might have been too old at the time of his marriage to perform his marital obligations but there is very little clear about him.

I had never really thought of Mary as Josephs Handbag