Could Autism Speaks be part of the New World Order???

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I didn't say AS people are immune to brainwashing. I just said we are more individualistic, we happen to have less of the sheep herd mentality(And for instance, can a particular NT individual be harder to brainwash than a particular AS person? Yes. What I'm talking about though, is percentages, that me personally and others perceive, yet it is not just a matter of subjective perception.What AS is, its nature, tells you very well we aren't easy to deal with when it comes to "discipline", changing our interests and routines).

By populist garbage I don't know what particular ideology you are referring to.
I assume you sympathize with Communism(because of your picture), that right there is populist.

I feel I should point out, that it is the sheep/herd mentality which made Homo sapiens so successfull in the first place, wether that will be true in the future remains to be seen, I am not convinced that being individualistic is a positive attribute in a society which values cooperation, and uses it as a very successful survival mechanism.

We are very fortunete in the UK, we have a very well supported welfare state, which imo is probably one of the only reasons that people with ASD/ADHD etc are able to live such full lives, we have the time to persue our interests, because we are being supported by the rest of the 'herd'. Personally I dont think I would fair to well if I had to grow my own food, build my own house, etc etc

Communism, Anarchy, Libralism etc are all very good tools for management of society, if everyone agrees with them, but one things Humans dont like doing, is agreeing, at least not too often. Capitalism (the 'Free' Market) is the most disgusting form of international agreement in the history of mankind, imo, it means slavery for billions, riches for a few.

As much as I would love to see a purely Anarchist or Communist state, I know that neither would be based on a concept which is free from the personal agenda, and twisted ego of the people who get to deciede its 'constitution', personally I dont believe that any system of government is of much use, but the idea of Democracy is the easiest way to come up with as fair an answer as possible, even tho it isnt remotly fair. Human society is a confusing paradox of BS and lies, which spawn wonderful ideas and concepts

Before you read my post, don't assume I'm hating on you and trying to ridicule you. I'm pointing out some inconsistencies I see within your beliefs.


Individualism has nothing to do with not cooperating.
Humans are individualists by nature. We are all different and should be different Our actions stem from our own individual initiative. For example, when you do something you do it to remove uneasiness, even when you are forced to do something you are acting to achieve the best possible outcome for the given situation as you know that there could be a worse outcome if not. If you find out your choice was wrong you cannot forget it is you who decided to take the action in the first place. All human action is individually driven.


Welfare is stolen money. People "support" you at gun point.
The State extorts money from producers and gives it to others, this creates an incentive to depend and it is not voluntary nor nonviolent.
It puzzles me that you value cooperation but agree with such an antisocial behavior of extortion.

How can a free market create slavery?
It is just a market where people deal with each other, voluntarily, and no one has the political power of the State to cripple their competition(economic regulation, requirements, certification), outlaw products(prohibition) and hold monopolies on an invention(patents) nor have benefits of consanguinity with the State nor secret agreements.
There is where poverty and economic corruption emanate from, from the biggest monopoly of all, the State, the corporation that has jurisdiction over all the other corporations, a system fond of being bought by those who want to steal from others the legal way.
It is through the market that the individual helps his/her fellow humans via exchange of goods and services for money which he/she uses to buy/rent the goods/services of others. Making the market "free" allows for competition to push humanity to come up with innovative ideas and thus achieve a better standard of living which is the main purpose of working.
You need to understand how the market works and how the State funds and enforces itself. When you do this you will be less vague in describing what you want for humanity.

Furthermore, you seem to agree with anarchism but do nothing to help it become reality(actually, you do the opposite when you call the free market "disgusting/enslaving" and when you preach in favor of State extortion-funded welfare).

No worries of that Asper, I want to be challanged!

However I find your viewpoint to be rather naive to be honest, in somes cases you seem to simply be repeating conservative/republican propoganda! And you certainly havent read my post properly if you believe I am advocating Anarchy

The Free Market is what controls Government, at least, the few people at the top, with the most money, control government. It used to be slightly more complex, the Church being involved to, and that was the case under Republican leadership in the US.

The Free Market relies on developing nations to provide us in the west with cheap goods, so we can live in luxury, and at the same time, many of the same workers cannot afford to feed their children, even if they could there is not enough food left in their country because we buy it all. this is slavery.

As for your concept of the Welfare State...sounds like Conservative/Republican propoganda to me, not based in reality at all imo.

it doesnt matter tho, all political systems lead to war, eventually, and imo conflict is the driving force of everything, I dont like it, but thats irrelivant.

I'll be brief and say that is a good distance from the truth. Every system has flaws. The problem with the Capitalist system (as with Marxism, Socialism, Communism, etc.) is that it is possible a few to centralize power in their own hands at the expense of the many. In fact, study Marxism, Socialism and Communism IN ACTUAL PRACTICE, and Capitalism looks pretty darn good by comparison.

When America was founded, the REPUBLIC depended on the individual citizen being vigilant and holding government accountable. Most all the abuse you see in the Capitalist system is the result of the individual becoming disinterested in domestic politics and letting government do as it wishes. As a result, the FEW who do take an interest run the show.

Oh, and the church has no say in government over here. That political leaders like to invoke Jesus and God and play nice with high profile religious types to win votes is not the same as them doing what the churches want.



Again, you are citing the ABUSE of the system. Before MARXISM pushed everyone into the "global economy" America had trade tariffs that made buying cheap overseas goods impractical for domestic sale. The abolishment of these tariffs not only harmed the domestic economy as far as employment, wages, etc. but it opened the door very wide for the mass exploitation of 3rd World nations. People wanted to say capitalist, self-protectionist tariffs were evil. Well, sounds like getting rid of them only did more harm. Take a good look at the Marxists who pushed for globalization...most of them probably got filthy rich off of it.

The observation of the welfare state is correct. It is not the role of government to steal from one man to give to another. That is the role of charities...who are hurting because the more the government steals from you, the less you are inclined to give more of your substance to help those in need.

Having worked for a welfare program on top of studying them, I can tell you that you are lucky if even 1/4 of the money seized from your paycheck ever gets to the person it's intended to help. I'd say the ratio is more like 1:10. If a private charity was this ineffective, people would demand criminal investigations of how the money is handled. If a private charity was this ineffective, people would stop giving them money. The government can be ineffective, blatantly waste your money on self-serving pork programs and you can't do squat. Maybe the GAO (Government Accounting Office) will do an audit, but that's just a political widget a congressman can pontificate upon...it yields no meaningful change.

Wanna help people with AS? Volunteer, collect donations, and give it to the person in need. You'll be getting the money without the threat of coercion and 90%+ of it will go right to the person it is intended to help.

I just have a hard time believing there's any 'order' on the NWO...
People are out to take care of themselves, make life better for themselves and they're families. This is fairly close to a universal situation.

The variable is the ethical standpoint; how far are they willing to go to to hurt others or profit from them to advance their own interests? no matter what the political system, there's always abuse.

Autism Speaks is one of tens of thousands of 'charitable' organizations out there. Alas, folks, we're supposedly less than 1% of the population (depending on who you ask), and I really don't think that in the grander scheme of things we're even on the radar.

just putting things in perspective.

I think that we can break their spirits and snuff the life out of their organization.

Under the radar?
Have you seen the radar?
How much area does this radar covers?

We can't assume something as small as Autism/AS is not important for people who want to control how humanity thinks(I'm not saying all of Autism Speaks is about that but having a man with ties to GE, the mainstream media and the State like Jack Welch as the founder makes me doubt).

All I'm saying is, be skeptical.

Thanks for the response.


You think my viewpoint is naive because you assume that because I want to abolish the State I believe things will work perfectly without it bossing people around. Wrong. I propose the market to take care of issues people have. Firms can do a better job than a biased system funded through extortion with a monopoly on violence. It doesn't work, corrupt people with money can lobby for it, buy politicians, infiltrate it to its core, like what happens with the US today where corporations and bankers run it. Believing that would work, after so many centuries of failing to make people free, is naive, and pure madness.
Republicans/Conservatives seem to have some learning disabilities. They want small govt, which eventually leads to bigger govt.
I didn't say you are advocating Anarchy! You read my post badly! Gotcha! (Makes me wonder if you will read this post in a attentive manner).


The free market does not control the govt. You need to learn what "free market" means(not from Communists/Socialists or the mainstream media but from Economists from the Austrian School of Economics, the strongest advocates of the free market).
The State cannot exist when there is a free market and vice versa, so to even consider what you considered is contradicting(why it cannot exist can be answered when you know what a free market is and how the State funds and enforces itself).
"The church" is not involved, what happens is religious stupidity has a big impact on politics.

The free market is not responsible for exploitation.
Economic corruption emanates from the State, for example, when they decide to rob the property from residents of a certain piece of land and give it to corporations to exploit it. It is the State who subsidizes these corrupt corporations, that is why you think some things are inexpensive but the reality is that you with your tax money have already paid part of that product, so after all the product is expensive.


The reality of Welfare?
That it is funded through extortion(you can't deny this).
That creates an incentive to depend on it(look at the ghettos and the "lower class" people how they still believe a political messiah will save them from poverty, how they live, their crime rate, etc).

WRONG again.
Conflict is not the driving force of everything, cooperation is.
It is through cooperation that civilization exists and we can work to come up with such complex technological, architectural and scientific achievements.
Does the State always lead to war? I agree with you, but I don't agree with you supporting its right to exist.

True, but a free market can give rise to other entrepreneurs with other companies that can apply different policies with their employees and thus triumph above their corrupt, exploitative competitors.

People need to ask themselves this question:
Would you rather make business, buy, employ or work for a corrupt exploitative company with a greedy boss/directors or for a company where the treatment of workers is of high standards and the environment is respected?

There you go, that is the democracy of the free market at work.

I am skeptical.

Of crazy NWO conspiracy theories.

I can (and do) deny it, but I have no desire to try and change your mind lol

But I would conciede that it is Abuse which causes the problems, rather than the political/economic systems themselves

A Bilderberg connection could be an interesting find there ...

Overall, however, I suspect most of the smaller players are not directly involved in any actual planning that might be going on. At the same time, even A.A. got twisted early on after a Rockefeller got involved:

"Historians may one day recognize Alcoholics Anonymous to have been a great venture in social pioneering ..." (excerpted from "The Lasker Award", Appendix IV in "Alcoholics Anonymous", the book, Third Edition)

Prior to that, it was nothing more than one human being trying to help another.

Of course, of that too.
And of other conspiracy theories, like the 19 Arabs with box cutters conspiracy theory. That's a huge one.

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Abuse from who?

Who is able to abuse others and escape judgement? The Judge, the one in charge of the "legal system", with an ability to modify the laws and establish a biased system he can modify, regulate and evade.

Who has the most and best weapons, the support of the threatened people? Who is the one who can make mistakes and not pay for it with his institution being closed down?

Who robs all producing individuals in all sorts of way?

There you go my friend, the answer is clear.

The future of the world is dependent upon original thinkers because of what Thomas Malthus called the Dismal Theorem. Basically all uncontrolled growth leads to overpopulation and disaster (too many people, too few resources - hence war to get it/ hold onto it, disease because of the breakdown of hygiene caused by the general conflict, disrupting healthy ways of life i.e. water pollution amongst other things like too many injured/ ill and not enough medicines to treat them, famine and drought because normal life cannot be maintained under extremes of war). Family planning, through birth control, leads to quality control of life as uncontrolled quantity is the problem (Simple mathmatics/ economics).