Tax evasion: good or evil?

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Red herring.

The courts are corrupt. That is established with the first case that dealt with the whole legality of the income tax...where it was proven that the 16th Amendment was never lawfully ratified but the judge ruled on "public policy" grounds to not reverse the result of a clear act of fraud by the US Secretary of State.

The tax code DOES NOT establish a duty to pay taxes. It states a duty to pay taxes on "taxable income" but that's a circular argument. There is no law specifically stating that "income" is "taxable." "Taxable income" is a definition of a specific concept. Wages are not income under the law because your wages is a zero-sum compensation for your labor. The IRS code wants to tell people that wages = income, but that definition is in clear contradiction to the rule of law. Income, under the law, is PROFIT (note that businesses don't pay taxes based on gross receipts). Your WAGES are not PROFIT. You put a lot of your personal resources and time into earning what you are paid. It is a 1:1 exchange of labor for pay. No profit to tax.

Again, the obligation to pay tax comes from following a set of instructions (codified in the tax code and written by the people trying to take YOUR money) that GUARANTEES that everyone owes taxes.

If you really think that the courts are for doing what's right, you likely also believe that if you ask the state government to investigate itself for corruption, it will always do it's job and root it out.

Whenever you try to get to the fundamental law that mandates the duty to pay the income tax, there is nothing. If there was such a "law," the IRS would gladly tell everyone about it. Even in the Tax Code (I just checked), there is no such "law." The IRS only uses vague terms about "taxable income" and nothing more. It's easy to prove that there is a law saying you must pay taxes on "taxable income" but getting to saying that your wages are "taxable" as a matter of the rule of law cannot be established other than the IRS saying that THEY CONSIDER IT to be so.

The IRS wants to tax barter as income. Barter, by definition, is not income.

It is not a matter of "you owe taxes, here is the law" and then "now, let's see how much you owe." It is a matter of there being no law, but an obligation to file a RETURN. Once you complete the return, the duty to pay what is stated on the return is established.

And on top of all that, "debt reduction" is now considered to be "taxable income"!

My wife and I got one of those sub-prime, no-money-down, high-interest-rate, 80/20 mortgages a little over five years ago to pay more for a house than it was worth even then ... and now when a short sale eventually happens after we walk away in a couple of months or so, we could eventually be told we must pay "income taxes" on whatever amount the mortgage companies write off as loss and recover via tax credit (I think).

Something is screwy, and nobody can do anything about it.

We can do something, we are doing something.

Compare the amount of people who were against the IRS 10 or 5 years ago and the amount of people today.
We've all contributed in some way or another, we should continue to do so.


I'm currently making a research on "tax exemption" and "tax deduction". Ways to have money go to your state and local regions than to the FED directly.
I should have known about this, more people should know about this.

I think that tax evasion is fine, so long as I can get away with it, but bad when other people do it.

Other people will eventually know how to evade taxes, unfortunately, with more perfect knowledge.

We all feel this selfish emotion from time to time, wanting others to suffer what we suffer, to sorta not feel lonely in our pain. It varies in degrees from person to person.

Me personally, if I had to pay taxes while 10 people I happen to disliked can evade them, I would be happy, not for them, but for the fact that the thieves collecting the extortion money are getting less money.

It's alright... we just care about ourselves when we pay taxes. Why care about the others?

Well, one of the excuses to pay taxes is to help those who are less fortunate.

It's sad that most humans opt for forcing people to help the needy than to do it through voluntary donations/charity.

And now, for some levity....

Great story.

Great story... but I wish it can happen in real life.

Earlier in his life, Gramps had done the same kind of thing in a bar. He used to challenge the barkeep with each of his eye bites, then claim he could stand on the bar and hit a shot glass way down at the other end ... and then a guy sitting off to the side had to pay up while the barkeep was having a good laugh and cleaning up the mess!

I'd want to be the barkeep... it sounds so cool!

It's a pointless argument. Rely on it to not pay taxes, and you go to jail, with little sympathy from anyone. Reality trumps argument. Not be to heartless, just pragmatic.

Why would you pay more for a house than it was worth? That is what is skewing the view here.

While the mortgage crisis may have created situations in which the logic got twisted beyond recognition, here is why debt reduction is income:

Someone loans you $100,000.

With it, you buy things and enjoy yourself.

Then you find yourself unable to repay, but you are not insolvent or bankrupt.

The lender decides to forgive the loan rather than deal any further with you.

You have received $100,000. You benefited from it. You enjoyed it. And you get to keep it. That is income.

If you are insolvent or bankrupt, however, there are ways to exclude all or part of it.

There are also exclusions related to the disposition of the house.

It is income until you can prove that everything is such a mess it would be unfair to tax it. So go out and work through the exclusion provisions and prove that everything is that messed up.

Cute joke. Too bad gambling wnnings are considered taxable income In real life, the auditor wins on all counts.

Sorry, guys. I make my living on this stuff. Just part time, I'm mostly mom, but all the weird rules have guaranteed me a job for life, pretty much.