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02 Oct 2010, 7:53 pm

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No one really cared about international law back then. The UN didn't even exist. If you are gonna say "Sh*t happens" and play by the rules, then thats exactly what Hamas and Hezbollah say. They also say "Sh*t happens". Sorry but in the 21st century it doesn't work like that.

The devil it doesn't! Read the daily newspapers. That is exactly how the 21st century works. It started off with a bang on 9/11/2001 in NYC and it has gone other places since.

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Just because Al-Qaeda acts this way it doesn't give any country the right to disregard international laws.

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02 Oct 2010, 8:01 pm

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Just because Al-Qaeda acts this way it doesn't give any country the right to disregard international laws.

International "Law" is mere convention, observed when convenient, disregarded when convenient. Since we do not have a world government it is not really law. Real law needs an army and a police force to back it up.

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02 Oct 2010, 8:51 pm

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Even if there is a world government doesn't mean that everyone will follow the law. This is true among individuals in a stable strong government. Not everyone follows the law. If you didn't get caught and no one tells the police, you're not gonna get punished.

Anyway, the point I was getting at is that Israel, along with Hamas, Hezbollah all don't follow international law. The organisation B'Tselem (I hope I spelt it right) has an unbiased stance, condemning all human rights violations. Their website has a section called "Palestinian attacks" and so they not only critisize Israel.

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03 Oct 2010, 1:10 am

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The devil it doesn't! Read the daily newspapers. That is exactly how the 21st century works. It started off with a bang on 9/11/2001 in NYC and it has gone other places since.

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9/11 is a BS rally cry. A couple terrorists succeeded in catching people off guard. That's not impressive. It's quite the opposite. What's impressive is that we haven't bothered to deal directly with the problem in Saudi Arabia.

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03 Oct 2010, 1:10 am

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Anyway, the point I was getting at is that Israel, along with Hamas, Hezbollah all don't follow international law. The organisation B'Tselem (I hope I spelt it right) has an unbiased stance, condemning all human rights violations. Their website has a section called "Palestinian attacks" and so they not only critisize Israel.

Good for them. They are even handed all of which adds up to a big fat zero for stopping the Hamas Rocketeers. What stopped Hamas was the IDF doing enough damage.

Even handedness and $2.67 will by a small coffee and an Old Fashioned donut at Dunkin' Donuts.

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03 Oct 2010, 1:57 am

For my entire life Israel and the "middle east problem" has been on the news every single day.

Why should I care?

Why are we supposed to care about or support Israel?

Do we care about Peru or Bolivia or Mongolia or Lichtenstein?

Do we send billions of dollars a year to support New Guinea or Fiji or Chad?

I am so bored with Israel.

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03 Oct 2010, 1:59 am

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Then pay no attention or vote against anyone who wants to send tax-payer money to Israel.

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03 Oct 2010, 2:11 am

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When they discover oil in Fiji the money will follow. Israel may not have oil but it is a key to the area.

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03 Oct 2010, 2:15 am

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When they discover oil in Fiji the money will follow. Israel may not have oil but it is a key to the area.

If the Middle East countries had 9/10 of the prune juice in the world do you think the U.S. would be involved there?

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03 Oct 2010, 2:24 am

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When they discover oil in Fiji the money will follow. Israel may not have oil but it is a key to the area.

If the Middle East countries had 9/10 of the prune juice in the world do you think the U.S. would be involved there?

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It depends upon how constipated the US consumers were.

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03 Oct 2010, 2:26 am

ruveyn wrote:

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When they discover oil in Fiji the money will follow. Israel may not have oil but it is a key to the area.

If the Middle East countries had 9/10 of the prune juice in the world do you think the U.S. would be involved there?

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Oil is a necessary commodity in the production of prune juice.

Just saying.

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04 Oct 2010, 9:53 am

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i find unconditional support for anything dangerous and frightening.

How about unconditional support for one's liberty to think freely?

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Support and criticism topic

In threads like these I find when there is legitimate criticism ( like speaking out against settlers) in one post then a bunch of posts following that border on antisemitism. I am against further settlements because it interferes with the peace process, not because I question the legitimacy of the State of Israel.

Criticism and debate, yes, without condemnation. Antisemitism is like a personal attack against a poster. The word "cult" is loaded.

It adds nothing legitimate to the discussion.

What a foolish debate stopper.

Few posts (with the exception of Ruveyn's) contain the word "Jew" - most simply discuss the moronic, CULTISH, NEE-JERK support for Israel's every (self-destructive) action.

And what the hell does the "legitimacy" issue even mean? Is any state "legitimate" in the sense of being founded by a peaceful process? No - and Israel isn't an exception. It EXISTS and will continue to EXIST, the pertinent question being in what form (i.e. as a nation with two classes of people or as a nation with equality for all).

Not a debate stopper--foolish or otherwise topic

There is no debate here, no productive discussion. Just anti-Israeli rants.

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