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16 Oct 2010, 12:26 pm

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If you equate plutocracy with democracy you are right on.


Hundreds of millions vote, but hundreds of millions are not rich and powerful. So where is the Plutocracy, which literally means rule by the rich?

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But the hundreds of millions are only given the option to vote for those who are able to raise enough money for their campaigns. A candidate is produced through very expensive and expansive marketing. Without major funding - they are nothing. And no, the fill-in option doesn't count. Richard Pryor could pull it off in a movie, but it's nothing more than a fantasy and certainly not a truly viable option.

The idea that we are "one election away from upending the undue influence the rich and powerful have on our lives" is a fantasy as well. Until there is true campaign finance reform, the rich will continue to run the country how they see fit.



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16 Oct 2010, 2:37 pm

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The idea that we are "one election away from upending the undue influence the rich and powerful have on our lives" is a fantasy as well. Until there is true campaign finance reform, the rich will continue to run the country how they see fit.


You assume that voters have no mind of their own?

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28 Oct 2010, 3:38 am

I'm American and I'm beginning to dislike America myself.

I'm sick of all the infighting between the political parties.

I'm sick of all the support that the mindless masses are giving to that evil ignorant witch Sharron Angle and all the other more extreme members of the Tea Party.

I'm sick of the American music industry supporting and shoving down our throats these talentless morons who don't deserve to be famous (e.g. Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Soulja Boy), while turning a deaf ear to those who are more appealing and talented (such as Lights).

I'm sick of the disrespect and apathy that Americans are showing towards the country's own people on the Autistic Spectrum.

I'm sick of the high standards that American women make for finding a potential mate which we Aspie males have no chance of qualifying for. I doubt that girls in Canada or England would be as picky about men as the girls here!

I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would. At least Canada has respect and sympathy for Aspies there, and they play Lights on the radio.

Tim (aka the Slipperman)



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28 Oct 2010, 3:49 am

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What's in Sudan? I know they have oil but are the reserves that good?


Janjaweed hunting safaris perhaps?


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28 Oct 2010, 5:13 am

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I'm American and I'm beginning to dislike America myself. I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would.


QFT+1



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28 Oct 2010, 6:48 am

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I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would. At least Canada has respect and sympathy for Aspies there, and they play Lights on the radio.


Come on up! That's exactly what I did (for many of the same reasons you cited), and I haven't regretted it once. :P If the good ol' "patriots" want to throw around that old cliché line about "if you don't like it, you can get out", then fine. Removes them from my life just as well as it removes me from theirs-- and I live someplace now where my views are appreciated, and I've got friends. Although, I will say, I'm not sure about how things are in Ontario-- I suspect better than here in BC-- but I've lived in Vancouver for a few years now, and there's a disappointing lack of support options for Aspies.



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28 Oct 2010, 9:46 am

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I'm American and I'm beginning to dislike America myself.

I'm sick of all the infighting between the political parties.

I'm sick of all the support that the mindless masses are giving to that evil ignorant witch Sharron Angle and all the other more extreme members of the Tea Party.

I'm sick of the American music industry supporting and shoving down our throats these talentless morons who don't deserve to be famous (e.g. Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Soulja Boy), while turning a deaf ear to those who are more appealing and talented (such as Lights).

I'm sick of the disrespect and apathy that Americans are showing towards the country's own people on the Autistic Spectrum.

I'm sick of the high standards that American women make for finding a potential mate which we Aspie males have no chance of qualifying for. I doubt that girls in Canada or England would be as picky about men as the girls here!

I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would. At least Canada has respect and sympathy for Aspies there, and they play Lights on the radio.

Tim (aka the Slipperman)


Meh, the grass is always greener...

None of these problems are unique to the US. Disrespect, difficulty getting laid, internal political struggle, and bad music exist just about everywhere. Have you heard the crappy music that comes out of Germany! :P



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28 Oct 2010, 1:55 pm

number5 wrote:
Slipperman wrote:
I'm American and I'm beginning to dislike America myself.

I'm sick of all the infighting between the political parties.

I'm sick of all the support that the mindless masses are giving to that evil ignorant witch Sharron Angle and all the other more extreme members of the Tea Party.

I'm sick of the American music industry supporting and shoving down our throats these talentless morons who don't deserve to be famous (e.g. Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Soulja Boy), while turning a deaf ear to those who are more appealing and talented (such as Lights).

I'm sick of the disrespect and apathy that Americans are showing towards the country's own people on the Autistic Spectrum.

I'm sick of the high standards that American women make for finding a potential mate which we Aspie males have no chance of qualifying for. I doubt that girls in Canada or England would be as picky about men as the girls here!

I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would. At least Canada has respect and sympathy for Aspies there, and they play Lights on the radio.

Tim (aka the Slipperman)


Meh, the grass is always greener...

None of these problems are unique to the US. Disrespect, difficulty getting laid, internal political struggle, and bad music exist just about everywhere. Have you heard the crappy music that comes out of Germany! :P


here here!



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28 Oct 2010, 2:25 pm

Slipperman wrote:
I'm American and I'm beginning to dislike America myself.

I'm sick of all the infighting between the political parties.

I'm sick of all the support that the mindless masses are giving to that evil ignorant witch Sharron Angle and all the other more extreme members of the Tea Party.

I'm sick of the American music industry supporting and shoving down our throats these talentless morons who don't deserve to be famous (e.g. Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Soulja Boy), while turning a deaf ear to those who are more appealing and talented (such as Lights).

I'm sick of the disrespect and apathy that Americans are showing towards the country's own people on the Autistic Spectrum.

I'm sick of the high standards that American women make for finding a potential mate which we Aspie males have no chance of qualifying for. I doubt that girls in Canada or England would be as picky about men as the girls here!

I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would. At least Canada has respect and sympathy for Aspies there, and they play Lights on the radio.

Tim (aka the Slipperman)


Seconded.

Not to mention the corporations that have taken over. Our country is no longer being ruled by the people but a mass corporation seen as a legal entity. Makes me think America will have the same future as that movie Terminator.


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28 Oct 2010, 3:05 pm

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Slipperman wrote:
I'm American and I'm beginning to dislike America myself.

I'm sick of all the infighting between the political parties.

I'm sick of all the support that the mindless masses are giving to that evil ignorant witch Sharron Angle and all the other more extreme members of the Tea Party.

I'm sick of the American music industry supporting and shoving down our throats these talentless morons who don't deserve to be famous (e.g. Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Soulja Boy), while turning a deaf ear to those who are more appealing and talented (such as Lights).

I'm sick of the disrespect and apathy that Americans are showing towards the country's own people on the Autistic Spectrum.

I'm sick of the high standards that American women make for finding a potential mate which we Aspie males have no chance of qualifying for. I doubt that girls in Canada or England would be as picky about men as the girls here!

I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would. At least Canada has respect and sympathy for Aspies there, and they play Lights on the radio.

Tim (aka the Slipperman)


Seconded.

Not to mention the corporations that have taken over. Our country is no longer being ruled by the people but a mass corporation seen as a legal entity. Makes me think America will have the same future as that movie Terminator.



so if there's a problem, why not look for a solution?

the terminator series was impossibly terrible and terribly impossible.

an A.I. takeover may be what it takes to save us all.


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28 Oct 2010, 3:38 pm

Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
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I'm just reiterating this for the sake of understanding the anglo-american relationship. Not the conventional look at territory , although with disputes in the UN like North Pole's resources.. friends like England are helpful. Next to AIPAC, England probably has the most influence on us.

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Your error is confuse being influential with being imperialistic. The U.S. is very influential. Even with all its faults and inefficiencies the people of the U.S. produce goods and services which are sought after and purchased the world over. I think we are definitely at fault when the U.S. gives aid and comfort to evil tyrannies for a temporary advantage in whatever "cold war" we happen to be fighting. That is wrong, but it is not imperialism. The leadership of the nation (U.S.) should have heeded George Washington's advice and avoided entangling alliances. The U.S. should trade with all nations and interfere in no other nation. We should become known as the place where you can get goods and services at reasonable prices and good quality. The business of American (U.S.) should be business, not "nation building" or rescuing people who are beyond being helped. No one appointed the U.S. to be World Cop and we should avoid that role like the plague that it is. No one appointed us to be the feeder of the hungry either. The business of America is America. We are not here to feed the world.

Albert Camus said it well: we should not be either a victim or an executioner.

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Have you ever heard the coined term"Anglo- American empire" before ? If so, what do you associate it with. Once I've researched it, I understood that this American "economic, social, etc" empire is characterized by Anglo- Americanism because that's where the roots stem from. You associate a singular sovereign nation as definition of being a empire like the Roman empire when infact it can be comprised of more. I'm not confused as in that I understand the Anglo-American relationship and by addressing you here it's pulling the topic off into a different direction.


This is an interesting question. You have probably heard of the book by Bill Clinton's ex-mentor, Professor Carroll Quigley: The Anglo-American Establishment? It describes a semi-secret network of associations that aimed at promoting close co-operation between Britain, her self-governing colonies and the United States. I often hear people invoking this book when trying to analyse high level power politics in the present day. And I'm surprised at how often they fail to point out the obvious fact that Britain's Empire has now disappeared.

So when I hear people talk about the "Anglo-American Establishment" or the "Anglo-American Empire", I often think of some notion some people (some, I don't know how many) seem to have of the Western world being dominated by racially supremacist Anglo-Saxons that seems to me does not stand up to scrutiny. It seems more likely to me that today's Anglo-Saxon elites prefer to think in terms of economic and political systems (as you suggest) than in terms of tribal affiliation. This does not stop them sometimes acting in an apparently imperialistic fashion, but it leaves them open to being manipulated by groups that do think more tribally than them.

Some of the organizations descibed in Quigley's book (eg, Chatham House aka The Royal Institute of International Affairs) are still around, but seem to have been totally subverted.



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28 Oct 2010, 9:01 pm

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MissConstrue wrote:
Slipperman wrote:
I'm American and I'm beginning to dislike America myself.

I'm sick of all the infighting between the political parties.

I'm sick of all the support that the mindless masses are giving to that evil ignorant witch Sharron Angle and all the other more extreme members of the Tea Party.

I'm sick of the American music industry supporting and shoving down our throats these talentless morons who don't deserve to be famous (e.g. Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Soulja Boy), while turning a deaf ear to those who are more appealing and talented (such as Lights).

I'm sick of the disrespect and apathy that Americans are showing towards the country's own people on the Autistic Spectrum.

I'm sick of the high standards that American women make for finding a potential mate which we Aspie males have no chance of qualifying for. I doubt that girls in Canada or England would be as picky about men as the girls here!

I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would. At least Canada has respect and sympathy for Aspies there, and they play Lights on the radio.

Tim (aka the Slipperman)


Seconded.

Not to mention the corporations that have taken over. Our country is no longer being ruled by the people but a mass corporation seen as a legal entity. Makes me think America will have the same future as that movie Terminator.



so if there's a problem, why not look for a solution?

the terminator series was impossibly terrible and terribly impossible.

an A.I. takeover may be what it takes to save us all.


I think the movie she meant to cite was Robocop. Omni Consumer Products isn't too far off.


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28 Oct 2010, 9:18 pm

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28 Oct 2010, 10:11 pm

America makes it hard to be liked. Even by it's own.

During my lifetime thus far, things have just got worse, not better. Each party keeps taking their turn at the wheel and we keep straying off course and the fighting just gets worse and worse. I have little faith left in either the Republicans or Democrats; Republican's are just hypocrites when it comes to rights and spending, Democrats are just cowards and won't stand up for what they claim to be for. The Tea Party is no realistic alternative as it just wants to take this country backwards to some imaginary utopia to be run by useful idiots.

I hate to think how bad things will be during the next presidential election, and even after. I'm sick and tired of all this BS that goes on with pundits, lobbyists, PACs, corporate influences and how extremism and flat out lies is becoming the norm.

It'll get a lot worse before it gets better. If a second Civil War happens eventually, I'd rather not be here since I care not to fight for any of these idiots.


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29 Oct 2010, 1:38 am

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I'm just sick of it all...If I had the money and the means to up and move over to Canada, I most certainly would. At least Canada has respect and sympathy for Aspies there, and they play Lights on the radio.


Come on up! That's exactly what I did (for many of the same reasons you cited), and I haven't regretted it once. :P If the good ol' "patriots" want to throw around that old cliché line about "if you don't like it, you can get out", then fine. Removes them from my life just as well as it removes me from theirs-- and I live someplace now where my views are appreciated, and I've got friends. Although, I will say, I'm not sure about how things are in Ontario-- I suspect better than here in BC-- but I've lived in Vancouver for a few years now, and there's a disappointing lack of support options for Aspies.


but canada has thrown up a very tall wall to block most americans from not only living in canada but from even merely ENTERING canada. 10s of thousands of yanks were turned away at the border when they tried to attend the olympic games a while back.



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29 Oct 2010, 2:35 am

Tell me about these "freedoms".

100 years ago (1910) there was no such thing as car registration or driver's licenses. (Yes, they had cars)
For that matter they didn't have dog licenses or fishing licenses or gun licenses.

You could walk into any gun shop and buy a pistol over the counter.
You could walk into any Drug Store and buy opium or cocaine or hemp oil.
You could walk into any bank and start an account in the name of Bill Smith.
You could wear a six-gun on your hip and a Bowie knife on your other hip.

You could cross the road wherever you wanted without some fool giving you a ticket for jay walking.
You could spank your kids without Social Services taking them away and jailing you.
Come to think of it they didn't have Income Tax either.

Even in Iraq under Saddam Hussein any person could walk into a gun shop and buy a fully automatic AK-47.

Tell us again how free we are?