Islam is a pro-Aspergers religion (unlike Christianity)

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Tony Attwood in his 'Complete guide to Aspergers' talks about ASD people often finding it easier to operate amidst 'alien' cultures


Islam is not an alien culture, whatever the hell that mean. islam is the most natural relgion on Earth, because everyone is born a Muslim, they just choose to be infidels later in life. Thats why we say people REVERT to Islam not convert. Its not alien. And NONE of the Muslims I have ever met or heard of are god d*mned illegal aliens... which is good because I am so sick of those stupid criminal ileagals taking jobs away, I cant even work at the dang arbys by my house because of them (more on this subject later). So i dont know what you're talking about.

I thought this place was supposed to be a heaven of tolerance where peoples believes are respected. but now I see that its a hotbed for intolerance, this thread is full of unjustified attacks on my relgion by bullies like you. see what I mean when I say that Xtians are intolerant? Thanks to this thread I can see that its not just the xtians in my area that are jerks, thanks to all of the people in this thread for proving my point.


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15 Oct 2010, 3:22 am

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I blelieve this is because Christianity does not tolerate any kind of deviance from the norm. I mean when you look at the bible and read all of its silly morals and laws, its basically anti-aspergers, anti-nonconformist, pro-neurotypical, pro-conformist propaganda.

No it isn't and no it doesn't. If you disagree, then list the "anti-aspergers", "pro-conformist" and "pro-neurotypical" propaganda. I think that you are projecting something onto the text.


im pretty sure theire is some verse in that dumb book that says that you're not suppose to associate with mentally ill people because then that would make you "unclean'. so there you go, that pretty much mean the bible condemns Aspergers. according to Xtianity all us aspies are unclean. You will NOT find any such verses in the Koran.

Besides, if there arent any anti-aspie propaganda verses in the bible then why do Xtians act like jerks to us Aspergians?


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15 Oct 2010, 6:46 am

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im pretty sure theire is some verse in that dumb book that says that you're not suppose to associate with mentally ill people because then that would make you "unclean'. so there you go, that pretty much mean the bible condemns Aspergers. according to Xtianity all us aspies are unclean. You will NOT find any such verses in the Koran.

Besides, if there arent any anti-aspie propaganda verses in the bible then why do Xtians act like jerks to us Aspergians?

Y'know "im pretty sure there is some verse", doesn't really constitute an argument on the matter.

Secondly, I have no idea what you are talking about with that verse. "Mental illness", wasn't something that these people really knew about, so that they could point it out with ease seems a bit questionable.

Thirdly, the notion that AS is a mental illness is a proposition that one could easily side against both for the purposes of a text(which couldn't be clear as to what was meant by "mental illness"), and for the purpose of judging AS psychology(which usually doesn't really fit into the category of "mentally ill" well).

Eric, maybe this will surprise you, but a lot of people act like jerks to Aspies. Religion isn't necessary for it, and arguing like that still suggests that you have no freaking clue what you are talking about. If you did know what you were talking about, we would probably see a scripture reference, and possibly even some analysis of it in its context.



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15 Oct 2010, 6:59 am

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Tony Attwood in his 'Complete guide to Aspergers' talks about ASD people often finding it easier to operate amidst 'alien' cultures


Islam is not an alien culture, whatever the hell that mean. islam is the most natural relgion on Earth, because everyone is born a Muslim, they just choose to be infidels later in life. Thats why we say people REVERT to Islam not convert. Its not alien. And NONE of the Muslims I have ever met or heard of are god d*mned illegal aliens... which is good because I am so sick of those stupid criminal ileagals taking jobs away, I cant even work at the dang arbys by my house because of them (more on this subject later). So i dont know what you're talking about.

I thought this place was supposed to be a heaven of tolerance where peoples believes are respected. but now I see that its a hotbed for intolerance, this thread is full of unjustified attacks on my relgion by bullies like you. see what I mean when I say that Xtians are intolerant? Thanks to this thread I can see that its not just the xtians in my area that are jerks, thanks to all of the people in this thread for proving my point.

RedHanrahan didn't say anything bizarre there, certainly not anything insulting.

As for "Islam is not an alien culture", yes, yes it is. Now, you can make these theological assertions, but frankly, your religion is false, and all claims based upon its truth are therefore also false. Islam is not considered mainstream in our society, and that's enough to label it "alien".

Even further, this is the PPR forum, which given the very high-strung topics(I can't even really imagine much political discussion, for instance, without debating), has tended to not be tolerant so much as debate ideas. Tolerance here is a lot looser. (that being said, RedHanrahan didn't even say anything that critical in the part quoted, or the post you quoted it from)

Finally, a large number of the people on this thread are not Christians, so talking about how this thread has proven that it isn't just the Christians in your area who are jerks is really just a bad claim. It makes no sense. I don't think RedHanrahan is a Christian, so really, are you trying to make some negative point on Islam with your misattribution of both religion and negative behavior?



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15 Oct 2010, 12:39 pm

Eric_crooks wrote:
RedHanrahan wrote:
Tony Attwood in his 'Complete guide to Aspergers' talks about ASD people often finding it easier to operate amidst 'alien' cultures


Islam is not an alien culture, whatever the hell that mean. islam is the most natural relgion on Earth, because everyone is born a Muslim, they just choose to be infidels later in life. Thats why we say people REVERT to Islam not convert. Its not alien. And NONE of the Muslims I have ever met or heard of are god d*mned illegal aliens... which is good because I am so sick of those stupid criminal ileagals taking jobs away, I cant even work at the dang arbys by my house because of them (more on this subject later). So i dont know what you're talking about.

I thought this place was supposed to be a heaven of tolerance where peoples believes are respected. but now I see that its a hotbed for intolerance, this thread is full of unjustified attacks on my relgion by bullies like you. see what I mean when I say that Xtians are intolerant? Thanks to this thread I can see that its not just the xtians in my area that are jerks, thanks to all of the people in this thread for proving my point.



i wonder, crooks, do you believe that people were born muslims before islam was revealed to Mo? why do we all so foolishly forget about our innate islam? does this mean that every person on earth who is not a practicing muslim is guilty of apostasy?

i love your use of the word "xtian" in place of christian, but hardly seems fitting for someone following such a foolish religion to disrespect someone else's foolish religion. they really prefer not to have "christ" replaced by "X." you're right about many of them being intolerant, though.

they are so unlike you wonderful muslims. your overflowing tolerance never ceases to impress me.

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hmmm.... i think it might have been your god's huge balls that impressed me.



oh, and any culture that is unfamiliar can be described as "alien." so..... unless you've grown up with islamic culture, your conversion brought you into a culture that was previously alien to you. the point redhanrahan was making was that, as aspies, we're used to not fitting in and feel more at ease if no one expects us to fit in.

though it's very "tolerant" of you to immediately rant about "god d*mned illegal aliens..." that you're "so sick of." because the "ileagals" are taking work away from you.

as much as i love mocking christians, you're doing a terrible job of it and i'd rather you just be nice to them.

also: you seem to be taking flack from godless atheists and agnostics, mainly. especially our most STRIDENT atheist, Awesomelyglorious and that cruel Asantist, Waltur.

i find christianity to be just as ridiculous as islam. but hey, if militant atheism and "xtianity" are the same, to you....

fear not, for your god's balls are truly immense. who, on this planet, has not seen them?
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15 Oct 2010, 2:42 pm

Eric_crooks wrote:
RedHanrahan wrote:
Tony Attwood in his 'Complete guide to Aspergers' talks about ASD people often finding it easier to operate amidst 'alien' cultures


Islam is not an alien culture, whatever the hell that mean. islam is the most natural relgion on Earth, because everyone is born a Muslim, they just choose to be infidels later in life. Thats why we say people REVERT to Islam not convert. Its not alien.


Nonsense. No one is born with a set of beliefs. People are either indoctrinated with a particular religion by their parents when they're still children or learn about it later and convert.

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I thought this place was supposed to be a heaven of tolerance where peoples believes are respected. but now I see that its a hotbed for intolerance, this thread is full of unjustified attacks on my relgion by bullies like you. see what I mean when I say that Xtians are intolerant? Thanks to this thread I can see that its not just the xtians in my area that are jerks, thanks to all of the people in this thread for proving my point.


They're not attacks per se, but probably what they perceive as criticisms. If what anyone says about your beliefs are incorrect then it's best respond to such criticisms with counter arguments or what you think your religion really says rather than calling people intolerant. Oh, and not everyone here is Christian.



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Islam is not an alien culture, whatever the hell that mean. islam is the most natural relgion on Earth, because everyone is born a Muslim, they just choose to be infidels later in life. Thats why we say people REVERT to Islam not convert. Its not alien. And NONE of the Muslims I have ever met or heard of are god d*mned illegal aliens... which is good because I am so sick of those stupid criminal ileagals taking jobs away, I cant even work at the dang arbys by my house because of them (more on this subject later). So i dont know what you're talking about.



Our race, homo sapien sapien has been around for over 200,000 years. Monotheism came rather late to humanity, i.e. its introduction is recent (about 3000 years or so). So there is nothing natural about any monotheistic religion. The One God Who Rules All meme is recent, but one introduced it tended to stick.

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Islam is not an alien culture, whatever the hell that mean. islam is the most natural relgion on Earth, because everyone is born a Muslim, they just choose to be infidels later in life. Thats why we say people REVERT to Islam not convert. Its not alien. And NONE of the Muslims I have ever met or heard of are god d*mned illegal aliens... which is good because I am so sick of those stupid criminal ileagals taking jobs away, I cant even work at the dang arbys by my house because of them (more on this subject later). So i dont know what you're talking about.



Our race, homo sapien sapien has been around for over 200,000 years. Monotheism came rather late to humanity, i.e. its introduction is recent (about 3000 years or so). So there is nothing natural about any monotheistic religion. The One God Who Rules All meme is recent, but one introduced it tended to stick.

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18 Oct 2010, 8:29 pm

Most of the "church going" Christians seem to be the bad eggs that make all Christians look like all Christians hate people who are diffrent. I refuse to attend ANY church as an adult and no matter what my parents do, I will not go becuase of how bad I was treated by so called "Christians" in the past. There is NOTHING in the Bible saying one must gussy up in their best and go to church. Plus, the Bible may have been dictated by God, but people were the ones who wrote it down for Him.


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monotheism came rather late to humanity, i.e. its introduction is recent (about 3000 years or so). So there is nothing natural about any monotheistic religion. The One God Who Rules All meme is recent, but one introduced it tended to stick.
Actually, Adnan and Hawwa (Adam and Eve to the infidels) were the first people on earth and they were muslim as they believed in Alah who created them. so technically islam is the oldest religion, the worlds first religion and thus the most natural of all relgions.


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Nonsense. No one is born with a set of beliefs. People are either indoctrinated with a particular religion by their parents when they're still children or learn about it later and convert.
you are clearly not as smart as you think you are


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20 Oct 2010, 5:01 am

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i wonder, crooks, do you believe that people were born muslims before islam was revealed to Mo? why do we all so foolishly forget about our innate islam? does this mean that every person on earth who is not a practicing muslim is guilty of apostasy?

Cuz of stupid jerks like you and yes, enjoy your stay in hell, bastard.


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though it's very "tolerant" of you to immediately rant about "god d*mned illegal aliens..." that you're "so sick of." because the "ileagals" are taking work away from you.


i hate how you bleeding hart liberals think that we should be "tolrant" toward goddamed ilegals. Why should I tolerate a bunch of no good criminals? if they go back to spain or wherever the hell they come from then maybe ill tolerate them like you traitorous socialist liberals want me too.



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i find christianity to be just as ridiculous as islam. but hey, if militant atheism and "xtianity" are the same, to you....


"This-ism that-ism" I dont care what "ism" your religion is, if it isnt islam, its either Christianty, jewdaism or Paganism to me, i dont care


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20 Oct 2010, 5:37 am

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monotheism came rather late to humanity, i.e. its introduction is recent (about 3000 years or so). So there is nothing natural about any monotheistic religion. The One God Who Rules All meme is recent, but one introduced it tended to stick.
Actually, Adnan and Hawwa (Adam and Eve to the infidels) were the first people on earth and they were muslim as they believed in Alah who created them. so technically islam is the oldest religion, the worlds first religion and thus the most natural of all relgions.

Umm.... no, actually Adam and Eve were Mormons. :P

That being said, there are a few problems:
1) Adam and Eve as the first people is scientifically false given that there is not a good way to reconcile the story with things that we can consider scientific facts. (and yes, our ideas about the age of the earth, and the evolution of all life are very well-grounded. The only way you can oppose them is by practically asserting a conspiracy of all of the experts and educated individuals on the matter)
2) This story lacks external verification, just as much as the Hebrew scriptures. Even further, against the Hebrew scriptures, it is the Koran's word against it, and there isn't much recommending the Koran.
3) Islam is false.

Finally, oldest and first, does not prove naturalness.

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The only questionable thing is just using an assertion to counter an assertion. The fact that the poster made this assertion does not suggest a lack of intelligence though.

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Cuz of stupid jerks like you and yes, enjoy your stay in hell, bastard.


I'm glad Islam is a religion of love.

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i hate how you bleeding hart liberals think that we should be "tolrant" toward goddamed ilegals. Why should I tolerate a bunch of no good criminals? if they go back to spain or wherever the hell they come from then maybe ill tolerate them like you traitorous socialist liberals want me too.


The toleration just emanates from this writing here. As does the education, as we all know that Latin American immigration is all from Spain, where the rain falls mainly on the plain. I am even glad that those who question the OP are rightly identified as traitorous socialists. I am shocked how he could identify treachery and socialism, but I guess Islam also gives him super-powers. Can you fly, Eric_crooks?

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"This-ism that-ism" I dont care what "ism" your religion is, if it isnt islam, its either Christianty, jewdaism or Paganism to me, i dont care

I don't have a religion.

That being said, I am glad that Islam is so tolerant of differences to be aware of the different religions out there.

(Look, Eric_crooks, even though a lot of people have been highly critical to you here, I think your statements, if taken at face value, have also made it clear that you are not really from that "nice and kind" religion. Perhaps not even a religion better than the backwater hick Christianity you left.)



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20 Oct 2010, 8:14 am

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Hello all, I used to be a non-denomintional christian until last year. In church, many so-called "Christians" would make fun of me and bully, and especially make fun of my aspergers-induced quirks and idiosyncracies. I found this to be the case at EVERY church I went to. I blelieve this is because Christianity does not tolerate any kind of deviance from the norm. I mean when you look at the bible and read all of its silly morals and laws, its basically anti-aspergers, anti-nonconformist, pro-neurotypical, pro-conformist propaganda. It didn't matter if I was in a catholic church, a othodox synagogue or whatever... every Xtian place of worship was full of serious people who did not appreciate it my dark sense of humur and penchant for satire...

But then I started reading about Islam and it seemed like a much more accepting relgioun. I started going to Masjid ("mosque", to you heathens) and it was so much more welcoming than any chrurch i have ever been too... I felt like all us Muslims there were one big family, and actually, in Allahs eyes, we are. Nobody made a big deal about me being an aspie, or being a satirist... i went to at least 3 mosques in my area, and my experienc was the same at each one. I also found other muslim aspies who have reported the same opinions, they're all happier as Muslims! i think have found the best religion not just for myself but for all Apsergians and all mankind. What do you think? Do you all think that Islam is the best faith for Aspies? Do you think that maybe it was just the Christians in my area that were stuck up and stupid, or is xtianity in general just a dum and close-minded religion?

THE POWER OF ANECDOTE!

Anecdote is worth 0 dollars in the real world. Because everyone can have an anecdote to prove every possible point. That's the reason we ignore it.

I was raised catholic and never had any issue whatsoever going to church, it was once of the few places in which I could just go and not be pressured for my complete and utter lack of that disease being social is. Of course, later I was horrendously forced to go to a juvenile group and it was awful. But that's not because of Catholicism but because of the people in control of that group.

Overall, I think all religions are by definition against people that don't stick to norm and are dis-conformists. That's why I decided to stop belonging to any religion. However, for most religions with strong structure, like Catholics and Muslims, many Christian branches and specially orthodox branches of Catholicism and Judaism, I bet a huge introvert can go to the churches or mosques without being bothered. It also works both ways, if you go to a branch of your religion that is supposedly more focused on youths, it will be designed to appeal more to social people and you will suffer.


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i would never contemplate becoming a muslim because they have to kiss the floor of their mosques!! ! yuck!! ! also they have to take their shoes off before they go in to their mosque. firstly, i could not tolerate the smell of their stinky feet, and secondly, i am sure that if i left my shoes outside unattended, then they would disappear after a few minutes.

the sound of muslims wailing out their prayer songs over cheap megaphones on top of buildings at 6 am would infuriate me.

muslims do not seem to perceive distortion, and their low quality megaphones atop their temples are turned up so loud that their voices sound like giant wasps caught in flimsy balsa wood boxes.

i do not like muslim music either. that belly dancing stuff they rant out at dawn would make me murderously enraged as i was jarred from my sleep and my dreams at sun up. no wonder so many muslims start their day with a jihad mindset.

i do not sweat much, so i do not need a towel around my head like they do. i would be driven insane if i had to have a cloth wrapped around my scalp all day.