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27 Oct 2010, 1:04 am

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What are these Tea Partiers so afraid of?


Most of those people are rabid paranoids so most likely, they thought she was going to try and kill their hero somehow.


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27 Oct 2010, 1:08 am

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Perhaps what I find most disturbing is the implication by some anti-liberal posters that she somehow had it coming because she was with MoveOn. Sounds a lot like the argument that a raped woman had it coming because she dressed like a slut. Violence is violence, don't blame the victim.


people who espouse violence have already lost the moral argument, and have moved on to outright tyranny.



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27 Oct 2010, 1:09 am

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Now what I saw here was a woman being restrained by amateurs who were holding her head down with their feet;


You might want to look at that video again because he takes a cheap shot while he's holding her down with his foot. There's definitely a thrust down on her face and it wasn't a matter of the guy slipping.

But again...it's kinda ironic that a bunch of people who are afraid of oppression would restrain someone in the literal way that many describe political oppression metaphorically.

A 220 lb man putting his full weight down on the neck of a 110 lb woman isn't "restraining". It's someone acting like a barbaric brute. I'd just like to see someone kick the complete crap out of this pig faced piece of sh**.


110lb? I think that might be selling her a bit short. :wink:

Looks like what I'd expect out of an amateur to do when trying to restrain someone like a cop. It's very similar to what police do.

The fact of the matter is that this resulted because of inadequate crowd control, where are the police?


Holding a sign and going up to ask the candidate questions isn't a violent or aggressive act. If the candidate doesn't want to engage with her questions he's free to ignore her. They should have just let her go through her spiel and leave peacefully. What are these Tea Partiers so afraid of? Why are there so many thugs who feel entitled to play "cops" and rough someone up merely for being on the opposition? This isn't the first time something like this has happened at a Tea Party rally either. There've been other incidents completely caught on tape of teabaggers making violent threats and physically harassing "enemy infiltrators" who weren't doing anything violent.


Ugh, she wasn't walking up to Rand to have a word with him. She bolted through a line of people to bum rush Dr. Paul from behind. No that is not allowed. Would I be able to do that to Obama?



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27 Oct 2010, 1:10 am

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The guy apologized and has since been dismissed as a volunteer and banned from future events. What more do you want?


how 'bout prosecution for assault and battery?



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27 Oct 2010, 1:14 am

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The guy apologized and has since been dismissed as a volunteer and banned from future events. What more do you want?


how 'bout prosecution for assault and battery?


That's in the hands of the local police and prosecutors; take it up with them.


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27 Oct 2010, 1:16 am

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The guy apologized and has since been dismissed as a volunteer and banned from future events. What more do you want?


how 'bout prosecution for assault and battery?


That's not the Rand Paul campaign's responsibility and the guy has been summoned to court where they'll decide whether or not to pursue charges.



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27 Oct 2010, 1:18 am

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Anti-abortion, anti-equal marriage, pro-Iraq war. I can see how they'd bait some people into hitting them. They represent fascism under a false cry of liberty.


Have you actually watched any of those videos, Ska? They're pretty long, and the violence I remember was from when they were counter-protesting an ANSWR rally.

Now tell me more about this justification, if not outright endorsement of violence when it's against people you dislike angle...


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27 Oct 2010, 1:45 am

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Anti-abortion, anti-equal marriage, pro-Iraq war. I can see how they'd bait some people into hitting them. They represent fascism under a false cry of liberty.


Have you actually watched any of those videos, Ska? They're pretty long, and the violence I remember was from when they were counter-protesting an ANSWR rally.

Now tell me more about this justification, if not outright endorsement of violence when it's against people you dislike angle...

ANSWER is a more radical left group. They aren't your run-of-the mill liberals. I didn't see any violence when they were infiltrating with the general anti-war crowd.



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27 Oct 2010, 2:04 am

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Have you actually watched any of those videos, Ska? They're pretty long, and the violence I remember was from when they were counter-protesting an ANSWR rally.

Now tell me more about this justification, if not outright endorsement of violence when it's against people you dislike angle...



They, themselves say that liberty is something you have to fight for. If they are to hold themselves as a war-like people then when they look to oppose another's liberty, should they not expect violence in return from other, good patriots?

As far as the videos go, not really interested because most of the videos have the kind of build up that an Alex Jones video has. Except, Alex Jones somehow manages to keep from being assaulted most of the time despite himself. I wonder why these people have such trouble?


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27 Oct 2010, 2:06 am

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War IS an ugly thing, but as long as nations and leaders exist that detest freedom, sometimes it is the only way to secure a lasting peace.



So by their own words, they should have violence visited upon them for their opposition of others' freedoms.


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27 Oct 2010, 2:14 am

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Have you actually watched any of those videos, Ska? They're pretty long, and the violence I remember was from when they were counter-protesting an ANSWR rally.

Now tell me more about this justification, if not outright endorsement of violence when it's against people you dislike angle...



They, themselves say that liberty is something you have to fight for. If they are to hold themselves as a war-like people then when they look to oppose another's liberty, should they not expect violence in return from other, good patriots?

As far as the videos go, not really interested because most of the videos have the kind of build up that an Alex Jones video has. Except, Alex Jones somehow manages to keep from being assaulted most of the time despite himself. I wonder why these people have such trouble?

So far I haven't found ANY actual violence from the left in those videos and I don't really have the patience to watch ALL of them.



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27 Oct 2010, 2:24 am

If you want to see violence from the left check out whats going in France and elsewhere in Europe. Most of the folks rioting over there are like high school and college aged students which are apparently unionized and controlled by the socialists in those countries.



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27 Oct 2010, 2:31 am

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The guy apologized and has since been dismissed as a volunteer and banned from future events. What more do you want?

His ass kicked.


Maybe if this were Singapore

Meh, the Singaporeans prefer good old fashioned caning with a cherrywood staff than a mano-a-mano fight.



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27 Oct 2010, 3:02 am

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If you want to see violence from the left check out whats going in France and elsewhere in Europe. Most of the folks rioting over there are like high school and college aged students which are apparently unionized and controlled by the socialists in those countries.

Rioting and beating up women are not in the same category in my mind.



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27 Oct 2010, 3:48 am

Yea, in a riot I'm sure a whole bunch of women get beat up



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27 Oct 2010, 8:36 am

Jacoby wrote:
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Perhaps what I find most disturbing is the implication by some anti-liberal posters that she somehow had it coming because she was with MoveOn. Sounds a lot like the argument that a raped woman had it coming because she dressed like a slut. Violence is violence, don't blame the victim.


Ugh no, the implication is that she and MoveOn are looking for trouble. If this was a Tea Partier bum rushing Obama, the people retraining said person would be hailed as heroes. How does that sound anything remotely like a raped woman? Just shut up, seriously. You're buying right into the corporate media narrative.

The guy has been dismissed as a volunteer and banned from future events. Time to move on, MoveOn.


The woman was not in any way acting on or promoting violence. The man aggressively pulled her face down to the curb and pushed his boot in her face. If I was her, I would have been terrified. I probably would have peed myself a little. There is absolutely NO excuse for this sort of violent behavior. I don't care if she was representing MoveOn or the Tea Party or the KKK. This is not a corporate media narrative but just basic human decency. The argument that she was "looking for trouble" is the same argument used against rape victims, so while the act is different, the mentality that excuses violence against non-violent bahaviors is the same. Would you also say that an autistic kid rocking in his seat at school "was looking for trouble" when he later gets bullied in the school yard for being "weird?" I doubt it. We shouldn't bend our principles along with our political ideals.

Incidentally, talk about buying into the "corporate media narative," I'm not the one who listens to this guy:

Glenn Beck sells food insurance

No wonder the Tea Party is full of paranoid people who are scared sh*tless. :roll: