What Makes People Vote Republican?

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That's what school systems or for, radicalize the teachers and you can indoctrinate the youth. Really, the left has a serious problem in that they think they are superior to everyone else.

People don't like being talked down to, and the dems made the mistake of showing their true colors as did the mainstream media.

It still has the same elitist attitude that was why the Dems got their heads handed to them.

The trouble is we're all human - people can either pay attention to that, pay attention to how ethereal what we deem 'reality' is, how what someone would or wouldn't do is governed by what point is most salient, and its a trickle of both conscious and subconscious factors that lead how people sort the facts around them into heaps and either do great or truly absurd things with that result. I don't think liberals or democrats can make any claims that they're more above it though, the trouble is - when one makes that claim - it something closer to vowing toward willful ignorance. Much like some fundamentalist religious folk will seem more animalistic in some behaviors because they have no concept of themselves as animals just have no censor for certain types of behavior - the same goes for anyone who's hiding from themselves, what they are, what we are, etc.

On another note though, with left and right, the big controversy is of course societal. Egalitarian vs. individualistic. Those who are putting in a bit for egalitarian unfortunately have it in their minds that where Lennon failed they can succeed, I'd figure globalism may in fact just make that easier. The trouble with that - its a flu dream, and one that everyone else gets to live as a result if they get their way. Make the world better by sabotaging it, mourning what they sabotaged as failed, and ultimately kidnapping any trace of objective reality perhaps cleansing the history books so were kept even more in the dark and perhaps forget who we are or where we came from - that's what I'm afraid we'd have to look forward to. The thought of that just makes me shudder at how molested the people of Russia have been, and I can completely understand the drinking problems over there - ie. no control, no hope for the future. Dealing with some smarmy social conservatives or people who might judge me for being different, doing my own thing, yes, its annoying but - its far better than living in a 1930's depression time world - long term - and having to look over my shoulders at all times as the likelihood of someone killing me for my shoes has gotten to be common place. That's one of many reasons why, when I measure my options, voting Republican (as I did on November 2nd) is quite easy.

But I can't for the life of me figure out how you went from fundies to sabotage to Russian alcoholics to voting republican.

Quit lying and actually read the article.

I really made an honest effort to follow you there, but you lost me. I certainly don't think it's right to dismiss another's core beliefs (not to be confused with unsubstantiated fluff) and I think we'd all be better served to make sincere efforts to understand each other. But I can't for the life of me figure out how you went from fundies to sabotage to Russian alcoholics to voting republican. I'm thoroughly confused.

Generally Republicans are for smaller government, more individual liberty. If those with egalitarian aims who have aims to grow government as much as they can - we may not quite seen the hell the Russian people have but, we could end up dealing with both the economic hardships and utter lack of control of our own country. Having good rules and regulations to keep capitalism from spinning out of control is both good and needed, but, enlarging government to almost equal or even eclipse the private sector has very nasty effects on the well-being of an economy. If in someone's eyes capitalism is that evil and repressive, collapsing an economy or causing poverty wouldn't be a big deal. Would I assume that most liberals/Democrats think like that? No. Do a lot of leftists? Yes. Unfortunately that's who's puppeting the party right now.

Generally Republicans are for smaller government, more individual liberty. If those with egalitarian aims who have aims to grow government as much as they can - we may not quite seen the hell the Russian people have but, we could end up dealing with both the economic hardships and utter lack of control of our own country. Having good rules and regulations to keep capitalism from spinning out of control is both good and needed, but, enlarging government to almost equal or even eclipse the private sector has very nasty effects on the well-being of an economy. If in someone's eyes capitalism is that evil and repressive, collapsing an economy or causing poverty wouldn't be a big deal. Would I assume that most liberals/Democrats think like that? No. Do a lot of leftists? Yes. Unfortunately that's who's puppeting the party right now.

Generally Republicans are for smaller government, more individual liberty. If those with egalitarian aims who have aims to grow government as much as they can - we may not quite seen the hell the Russian people have but, we could end up dealing with both the economic hardships and utter lack of control of our own country. Having good rules and regulations to keep capitalism from spinning out of control is both good and needed, but, enlarging government to almost equal or even eclipse the private sector has very nasty effects on the well-being of an economy. If in someone's eyes capitalism is that evil and repressive, collapsing an economy or causing poverty wouldn't be a big deal. Would I assume that most liberals/Democrats think like that? No. Do a lot of leftists? Yes. Unfortunately that's who's puppeting the party right now.

In theory, Republicans are supposed to be the advocates of positions such as smaller government, individual liberty (particularly in the sense of the belief of less government intervention into people's private lives), and fiscal conservatism. However, the track record of the mainstream Republican party establishment as of late has not shown any of these stances to be truly relevant to them anymore, beyond just hollow talking points. The Bush administration actually grew the government, infringed individual liberties like privacy in the name of "homeland security", and needlessly wasted billions of dollars on war and tax cuts for the rich. The Republicans under Steele, Boehner and McConnell, have stated clearly that it is their intention to continue to adhere to this very same agenda themselves, particularly now that they feel empowered after taking back the House.

Don't get me wrong-- Obama isn't without his faults. But if you want to talk about who really walks the walk on conserving money and keeping our debt to a minimum, take a look at how the national debt increased under Reagan and the Bushes as compared to Carter and Clinton, and get back to me.

By the way, as far as looming "economic hardships"-- take a look around. We're already there, and it was laissez-faire lawlessness, not government overreach or socialism, that got us there. We don't really manufacture things anymore, not like we used to. China already owns us.

In theory, Republicans are supposed to be the advocates of positions such as smaller government, individual liberty (particularly in the sense of the belief of less government intervention into people's private lives), and fiscal conservatism. However, the track record of the mainstream Republican party establishment as of late has not shown any of these stances to be truly relevant to them anymore, beyond just hollow talking points. The Bush administration actually grew the government, infringed individual liberties like privacy in the name of "homeland security", and needlessly wasted billions of dollars on war and tax cuts for the rich. The Republicans under Steele, Boehner and McConnell, have stated clearly that it is their intention to continue to adhere to this very same agenda themselves, particularly now that they feel empowered after taking back the House.

Don't get me wrong-- Obama isn't without his faults. But if you want to talk about who really walks the walk on conserving money and keeping our debt to a minimum, take a look at how the national debt increased under Reagan and the Bushes as compared to Carter and Clinton, and get back to me.

By the way, as far as looming "economic hardships"-- take a look around. We're already there, and it was laissez-faire lawlessness, not government overreach or socialism, that got us there. We don't really manufacture things anymore, not like we used to. China already owns us.

I haven't read through the whole thing yet, but it is interesting to see a psychologist rejecting the seemingly-standard assumption of the field that conservatism is innately some kind of mental debility.

Yeah, I actually was avoiding the thread for awhile. Not that I hate politics, just that often I don't find myself compelled to read threads that I expect will be used to degrade other beliefs by attacking the believers themselves more than the idea.

I think the article was interesting. I cannot identify with the conservative mindset though. I feel that I am the out-group, I have some purity instincts but I have a lot of instincts praising the lack of concern for it. I am an outright anti-authoritarian. I cannot get along well with authorities. (Note: By "cannot get along well", I do mean that I can hold a job, and I can give token respect for a boss, I just cannot intellectually submit. I play my role, but if I was actually "myself", I would rub an entirely bad direction with these folks.)

Yeah, I actually was avoiding the thread for awhile. Not that I hate politics, just that often I don't find myself compelled to read threads that I expect will be used to degrade other beliefs by attacking the believers themselves more than the idea.

I think the article was interesting. I cannot identify with the conservative mindset though. I feel that I am the out-group, I have some purity instincts but I have a lot of instincts praising the lack of concern for it. I am an outright anti-authoritarian. I cannot get along well with authorities. (Note: By "cannot get along well", I do mean that I can hold a job, and I can give token respect for a boss, I just cannot intellectually submit. I play my role, but if I was actually "myself", I would rub an entirely bad direction with these folks.)

On that day the Incompetent shall rule us..

ruveyn