do you support the death penalty?

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They wouldn't be very effective if they couldn't convince their soldiers that what they were doing was right.

You can't have an army that doesn't believe in the governments' causes. It's one thing I always find hilarious: that soldiers act like as if their glowing review of their indentured servitude is some kind of verification that everything is okay.

If the crime is really bad, then yeah, kill 'em, but only if you can be certain they're guilty of it, though I'm aware that's much easier said than done.

Well it's more simplistic when you take out there part where I don't believe in incarceration for most non-violent criminals and treating drugs as a health issue rather than a criminal one. I believe that would be helpful in stopping the preventable murders although I suspect your idea of prevention has more to do with redistribution. The point I was making though was that, regardless of all the preventative measures possible taken, there will still be murder and rape and they should be dealt with permanently.

Skafather84

If you cannot tell the moral difference between a soldier and a murderer, then your moral compass must be spinning in some Bermuda Triangle of nihilism.

If you can tell the difference between one dead body and another, you're deluded.

Somewhat faulting reasoning.

You can not prove a negative. So, if the institution of capital punishment does deter violent acts, you can never know about it because you can't measure what did not happen. In a society suffering from human depravity, some violent crimes will happen no matter the punishment imposed because some criminals are not affected by the threat of any punishment.

In Florida, there was a rash of cop killings (something like 30 in 2 years). The state passed a law mandating that if you kill a police officer, it was life in prison without parole or the death penalty. The cop killings stopped and dropped back down to the number per year before this all started. Clearly the threat of punishment had a positive effect, but it was not going to stop people depraved enough to kill a cop no matter the punishment.

A great deal of the PTSD experienced by soldiers is because of this. Most humans do not want to kill other humans, and most humans are haunted by it when they are forced to do so.

you do realize that you just contradicted yourself, don't you? You can measure things that don't happen by comparison to similar populations: Florida before and after the cop killing law, countries with and without death penalties. Same methodology.

Is a crime of passion murder the same as an assassination?

Also, do you have any way to ensure that execution is ONLY doled out to the guilty and that no innocent are executed unfairly?

Do you think that simply killing people will end a lot of the root causes for murder that go beyond simply considering the punishment for it?

How about rape? Do you know how many men are unfairly accused of rape from women who had consensual sex and then had a problem after? Should all those men be killed for having sex with crazy, vindictive women??

It is the irretrievability of error that tips the scales for me.

I have no doubt in the guilt of Paul Bernardo and of Russel Williams. But I am not content to see them put to death, because it would be meted out by the same system which convicted Donald Marshall, Stephen Truscott (who was wrongly sentenced to death), Guy-Paul Morin and David Milgaard.

I would far rather let murderers live their lives in jail than see a single innocent person put to death.

Well I'd say yes on the first thing. Killing your wife because she cheated on you is just as bad as a targeted killing.

As I said in my first post, if there is reasonable doubt, they should get life in prison without parole instead although I'd wonder why they would of been found guilty in the first place then. I'd think the majority of the murderers in this country are guilty and without a doubt.

Now I agree rape could be tricky but there is a big difference between someone who got taken advantage of while drunk and feels embarrassed about it later and someone who gets dragged off the street by a stranger and is brutally beat and raped. I just think the death penalty should be an option for the worst of the worst like it is for murderers now.

As a pure imagination of the future I think people may "store their DNA" and then if they die they can be "reborn" by the community.

Once this was my thinking...I was thinking what if my best friend gets killed or even I get killed. My DNA would be used to "reborn" me. (would mean that a new being would have to spend a childhood again).

This would be for some kind of "community agreement law" that all kinds of people (all kinds of different people) must be preserved to be able to get as many differing viewpoints as possible for problems that human beings have to solve.

End of the science fiction lesson . For you who didn't ignore it you may have gotten my point.

Yes they deserve to die, and I hope they burn in hell!

However, I know that innocent people have been put on death row and executed, and for them, I don't want the death penalty.

too late. They're dead.

I think he meant to say he wants no further repetitions of justice miscarried.

ruveyn

And there's only one way to do that. Make no irremediable errors.