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03 Dec 2010, 6:03 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

russell used a bad example because liberals tolerate racism, facism, etc. if it is along their line of thinking. Liberals are pro-free speech only when they agree with what is being said. Conservatives either ignore a racist as just another nut or do their best to make sure they don't get into office. Liberals make them Senate Majority Leader.

Fascism is a far-right ideology. And even with that being the case, I'm not quick to lump all conservatives together as being fascists, just like I don't agree that all liberals are communists, even though communism is a far-left ideology.

Also, how is Sen. Harry Reid a racist? Just because he made one reference to Obama being black does not mean he is a racist. And like you said earlier in this thread, people shouldn't be vilified for one stupid comment they made. That seems to be what you're doing with Reid.

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03 Dec 2010, 6:11 pm

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Is there anybody on here whose political views are vastly different than their parent's/upbringing?

*raises hand*

Libertine raised in a conservative, Catholic household. It's also why I mostly avoid family gatherings: since I'm liberal, everyone assumes I voted for Obama and it's just insulting (especially considering I voted libertarian...despite Bob Barr mostly being a joke in terms of libertarians). That and their overly simplistic view of topics that are vastly more complicated.

Ever wanted to punch a family member in the face for constantly annoying you about politics? Yeah.

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03 Dec 2010, 7:56 pm

Descartes wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

The most pious leftists do not even understand the destructive implications, especially in practice, of socialist ideas, but do run of the mill conservatives realize that social conservatism unhinged could dissolve into nativism and the like? If you want a portrayal of the fringe right read this article.

http://revoltnottherapy.wordpress.com/2 ... tionalist/

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03 Dec 2010, 8:17 pm

Ach Gott, ja, there are nasties in the bushes both sides the road, I know all too well. Why I hate the polarization coming out these days [not saying it was not around, nbut I think we are getting a new surge.

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03 Dec 2010, 10:34 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

marshall wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

marshall wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Bethie wrote:

russell wrote:

If liberals/leftists want to be truly tolerant, than they must learn to tolerate Moderates, fascists, racists, conservatives, republicans, christians, etc.

I wouldn't say tolerating and looking the other way at intolerance is in fact tolerant.

The left tolerates facism and racism when it comes from their side. Conservatives do not tolerate fascism nor do they tolerate racism.

Caugh.... Trent Lott :roll:

You are completely full of it.

Didn't Trent Lott resign from being Senate Minority Leader in 2002 after making those comments that were racially charged.

And since he kept getting attacked over it he ended up completely resigning from the senate in 2007.

Just because one makes a stupid comment, doesn't make one a racist. The left however looks for anything they can to brand someone a racist in order to demonize them and scare people that disagree with them into keeping silent.

The incident proved that a lot of white Republicans are completely clueless/insensitive if not outright racist. I recall a lot of them clapped and cheered after Trent Lott made his remarks.

You mean:
Trent Lott spoke on December 5, 2002 at the 100th birthday party of Sen. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, a long time conservative leader. Thurmond had run for President of the United States in 1948 on the Dixiecrat (or States' Rights) ticket. Lott said: "When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Lott

Looking at the quote now, how is this racist? It looks more to me like trying to make a guy whom just turned 100 feel good about himself. You want to cry racism over it, but he could have been referring to stuff that had nothing to do race.

I decided to look for the quote that caused the fiasco, and it looks to me that people were making a big deal over nothing. What did you want Senator Lott to do, publicly bad-mouth someone at their 100th birthday party, then he'd be accused of hating the elderly.

The fact is Strom Thurmond was a segregationist, an enemy of freedom in the minds of black people who lived through the civil rights struggle. How can you say that expressing pride over voting for a segregationist platform isn't hugely offensive to the people for whom that platform was an oppressive and hateful force in their personal lives? Maybe you don't have enough empathy to see how offensive it is, but that doesn't make it any less.

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04 Dec 2010, 1:43 am

russell wrote:

All it takes is a little bit of rope and probing for the true facade of "liberal tolerance" to be exposed for what it really is.

Too many sociology students are drinking the Kool-Aid................... (as it was said above.)

Liberal mouthpieces often demonstrate their true intolerance without hardly needing any prompting.

While I regard myself as more of an angry leftist than a bleeding-heart liberal, let me just say that I am proudly (conversationally) intolerant of explicit racists, xenophobes, fundamentalists, and ultraconservatives. May the ugly combine of ethnic and class bigotry that form the core of the modern GOP rot and disintegrate.

A major flaw in modern American liberalism is the belief that one can hold hands and sing Kumbya with one's political enemies.

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04 Dec 2010, 2:11 am

petitesouris wrote:

Really? What about the Constitution Party or the remaining "radical traditionalists" in the West? They are against gun rights and free trade. Not to say that the left is never totalitarian, but politicized Marxism has no place in a free country. The only thing extremists have in common with each other is that they would all choose to evicerate our freedoms. Yet, among the less extreme, my opinion is that the right currently sounds more authoritative.

The problem is, the left is ruled by its extremists, with House speaker Nancy Pelosi espousing socialist economic policies that really are close to Marxism, or possibly even worse. Meanwhile, John Boehner is nowhere near fascist.

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May the ugly combine of ethnic and class bigotry that form the core of the modern GOP rot and disintegrate.

Ethnic and class bigotry form a much bigger part of the Democratic party than the GOP. Heck, Pelosi just passed a prime example of the Democrats' politics of class warfare with Obama's support. Meanwhile, in the Republican party, libertarians with no social axe to grind are taking over and the religious right is in retreat.

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04 Dec 2010, 2:14 am

Kon wrote:

Is there anybody on here whose political views are vastly different than their parent's/upbringing?

Mine are; my views on economic issues are diametrically opposed to those of my parents, though my views on social issues are not that different from theirs.

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04 Dec 2010, 2:51 am

I THINK my parents may have had political views, but very little was ever spoken at our place, and politics never ever, so it has to be guesswork. I do know that in a number of areas my views and values differ from my father's, and that in most areas my mother's views, even where similar to mine, were different enough for her to reject and feel rejected. Extrapolating, I think there would be major differences of opinion.

They got their opinions in interaction with and reaction against parents and friends. I was - am - pretty much a social isolate, and got no input from them [I had to teach myself to shave] - so what I see I reached independently and rationally.

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04 Dec 2010, 3:56 am

marshall wrote:

I don't think things are quite that clear cut, Marshall. For example, I'm an admirer of Teddy Roosevelt, despite his endorsement of eugenics and documented incidents of personal racism, not to mention what would almost certainly today be deemed pathological narcissism. I find him an admirable figure in spite of his flaws, and he's far from a lone figure who is cloaked in shades of gray. I hardly think complimenting a man who once held reprehensible views is in and of itself reprehensible, especially when it occurs so long after the fact and at the man's milestone celebration no less.

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04 Dec 2010, 4:28 am

Building on my previous post, I found this interesting passage in an article discussing the strange metamorphosis of John McCain:

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George C. Wallace, once a firebrand of segregation, eventually became a kind of racial-healing figure near the end of his troubled life. There was something similar in the very long and winding path of Strom Thurmond (or Robert Byrd). Or Teddy Kennedy, who sharpened the ideological edge of his rhetoric as the years went on, but who increasingly valued his ability to work with rather than against his Republican counterparts in the Senate. Barry Goldwater went through the same evolution from the opposite starting point. Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara, different kinds of peaceniks by the end. We know that for humanity in general, the passing years can often make people closed-minded and embunkered in their views. But for people in public life, it seems to me, surprisingly often the later years bring an awareness of the chanciness and uncertainty of life, the folly of bitterness, the long-term advantage of a big-tent rather than a purist approach.

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04 Dec 2010, 4:45 am

Inuyasha wrote:

Bethie wrote:

russell wrote:

If liberals/leftists want to be truly tolerant, than they must learn to tolerate Moderates, fascists, racists, conservatives, republicans, christians, etc.

I wouldn't say tolerating and looking the other way at intolerance is in fact tolerant.

The left tolerates facism and racism when it comes from their side. Conservatives do not tolerate fascism nor do they tolerate racism.

Look, Ma! A bald assertion, bereft of any support! :roll:

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04 Dec 2010, 4:47 am

russell wrote:

Bethie Wrote:

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I wouldn't say tolerating and looking the other way at intolerance is in fact tolerant.

What is the plan to cure or dispose of racists? Liquidation?

Brainwashing?

Chemical Castration?

I would think speaking out against racism and eductation would be helpful,
as opposed to a "Gee golly, hate is benign so let people hate" (lack of) approach.

No fanciful false dichotomies needed.

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04 Dec 2010, 5:56 am

Your political views are often shaped by what perspective you were brought up on, as well as personal experiences. Though you can share a similar mental condition, there's still a lot of other things that can set you and someone else apart.

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04 Dec 2010, 7:28 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Easy. Although aspies are outcasts, we like order, including social order. An aspie social conservative would simply be an aspie who believes that the real problem with society is people who are not acting in a proper manner.

such cruel people have an alarming and tiresome propensity for jamming large square pegs through small round holes "for their own good."

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04 Dec 2010, 7:30 am

Kon wrote:

Is there anybody on here whose political views are vastly different than their parent's/upbringing?

total opposite of my father and the rest of my family/relations, 'cept for an enlightened free-spirited aunt.

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