Do you feel safer now that bin Laden is gone for good?

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It was a matter of closure and revenge.

ruveyn

Both things that don't put food in your plate nor actually make you safer.

Hey, it is great that US has had a great victory on this. I remember the times when a US victory was something like ending WW2 or taking a man to the moon. Nowadays it is killing a nut that is not going to make a difference, and that's beautiful.

True. But closure and revenge is a feel-good thing. It is not substantive.

ruveyn

It's a matter of holding Osama responsible for his actions, and I think the SEALs did a pretty good job at that.

Yeah, it's like dealing with any other criminal. If you just let such people get away with what they've done they'll think they might be able to get away with more.

LOCK AND LOAD, BRIDES OF CHRIST!! !

Oh how low the mighty have fallen....

And a legal trial, inevitably being found guilty and then being incarcerated is getting away with it? - you really don't engage your brain very often do you? or is it just that you have no idea of modern legal procedure and actually having the moral high ground to justify all your indignance?

Absolutely not.

Before 9/11, I had a much higher chance of being violated without cause by my own government. After 9/11, that probability went much higher as many civil rights were compromised in the name of "national security."

OBL being killed changes none of that.

The problem with boogiemen is that they are used by the state to distract the populace from the more present and dangerous threats.

I would be surprised if he didn't plan for something to happen after/if he died. I doubt he sat around playing ps3. (Though maybe he was caught out because he used his credit card online)

Are you including the estimated 5 million muslims who live as US Citizens, and some who serve in our military services and die for our country? Or are you just talking about the ones that live in them other countries.

I don't think my next neighbors pose a threat to me. Please clarify.

What, you thought it was coincidence that they found him shortly after somebody plundered the PSN database?

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A peaceful Muslim is a potential Jihadi martyr that has not yet been activated by the local Imam.

An active Jihadi martyr wannabe is definitely a threat to life and limb.

the problem is with the religion. It consists of memes that can transform ordinary people into monsters in a flash.

Ask yourself why 95 percent of the suicide bombings are done by Muslims.

ruveyn

I can understand statement number two.

But, statement #1 is not logical and could be seen as offensive to anyone on this site that might be of the Muslim religion or know someone personally that is a member of that religion People of the Muslim religion are humans and not all humans have the potential for what it takes to be a suicide bomber.

Most people are not willing to die for their religion, upon command of another. And some people wouldn't have the physical and/or mental ability to be a suicide bomber even if they wanted to be one.

It's not just the religion that causes this kind of behavior in Muslim Extremists; it's also due to extreme ideology, cultural influence, and hardships, not evident among all muslims in the world.

If your statement was valid we wouldn't be able to keep track of the number of suicide bombings in the world; considering there are over a Billion Muslims in the world.

I find most of your views concise and logical; but I believe statement number one may be influenced by emotion. If I am not being logical in my argument here, please tell me where I am going wrong.

Unfortunately some Jihadists are influenced by extreme ideology and the emotion of hatred. It's not a good one and can blind one's logic.

There are plenty of people in the world that commit murder/suicides over the emotion of anger and/or confused ideology; suicide bombing has a common element with this. People that commit murder/suicides in the general public, usually have a personal target, but at times they also have a political and/or ideological target.

Many people kill. But how many people kill in the Name of God. You will find that most who do are Muslims.

I will say this plainly. Islam, the religion, is full of nasty evil memes (more so than the other Abrahamic religions) which can transform ordinary humans into murdering monsters. All in the Name of God. It is a bad, wicked, evil religion and if I believed in the Devil I would attribute Islam to the Devil. But it was not the devil. It was a pedophile who lived in the Arabian area about 1400 years ago.

ruveyn

From what I have read and seen in the current day, I see the same correlation from your first statement here, I'm not sure it is true on a historical basis; the Crusades netted some of the same kind of results.

I can't argue the merits of the Muslim religion, itself, you probably understand it much better than I do. In my logical mind, however, I understand human psychology well enough to know that all Muslims don't have the potential to be suicide bombers. And from what I've read, in a few decades a quarter of the world's population will be of the Muslim faith.

However, any belief can be twisted into something bad or wicked.

If what you initially said in your previous post was factual about the potential of all muslims, there would be no hope for the world; if there was a world wide order for Muslims to act as suicide bombers.

From my limited understanding of the way the religion is practiced in middle eastern culture, it is used to control women and to assert patriarchal control. The western cultures are a threat to that control and it doesn't get much more personal than that. There's no telling what that conflict in interest may eventually cause in the future.

In my opinion the abuse that women in those cultures endure, is as bad if not worse than the effect of the suicide bombers so far. Even the reward of the 72 virgins, is tied in with the strength of the patriarchal ideology.

With access to porn that reward is no longer as meaningful. That is the kind of threat in our culture that is of concern to them.