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11 Dec 2011, 1:05 am

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Which of the following most adequately explains the Matter-Energy Equivalence theorem?

a. I don't know.
b. God did it.
c. It's only a theory.
d. E=mc^2


e. God created it AND E=mc^2

Did I blow your mind?

No. I expected as much from you.


Oh well...



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11 Dec 2011, 8:54 am

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Because I believe in God, and I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God... That's why I'm a Christian.
But, why do you believe in God, and that Jesus Christ is the son of God?
My guess is that he does not like the thought of dying. He wants to live Forever. ruveyn
Is this a thread about why people are Christian or just an attempt to mock fellow members of this forum, based on what you guys are saying, it looks like it is the latter.
Why don't you just answer the question?
Because he's a Christian, silly! Just because Christians think they have all of the answers, it doesn't mean that they have to share any of those answers with you!
Or, maybe he's just too ashamed to answer?

A Christian that is too ashamed of his beliefs to confess one of them?

Really?

There's hope for the secular world, after all!


I'm not ashamed of my beliefs, I'm just secure enough in my faith that I don't feel I have to defend my faith and I have better things to do with my time than participate in this latest attempt to bash Christians and Jews (whom believe in the same God, just there is difference as to whether or not you believe Jesus was the son of God).

If a bunch of atheists want to display their bigotry, that's your guys business, just don't complain the next time someone whom is religious on this forum equates atheism to bigotry.

:cheers: Thank you! Thank you! Panda Bear and Inuyasha! Finally someone puts the atheists in their place! And they say they're more tolerant than Christians are! Doesn't sound all that "tolerant" to me!



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11 Dec 2011, 9:08 am

rocklobster wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Fnord wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Fnord wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Because I believe in God, and I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God... That's why I'm a Christian.
But, why do you believe in God, and that Jesus Christ is the son of God?
My guess is that he does not like the thought of dying. He wants to live Forever. ruveyn
Is this a thread about why people are Christian or just an attempt to mock fellow members of this forum, based on what you guys are saying, it looks like it is the latter.
Why don't you just answer the question?
Because he's a Christian, silly! Just because Christians think they have all of the answers, it doesn't mean that they have to share any of those answers with you!
Or, maybe he's just too ashamed to answer?

A Christian that is too ashamed of his beliefs to confess one of them?

Really?

There's hope for the secular world, after all!


I'm not ashamed of my beliefs, I'm just secure enough in my faith that I don't feel I have to defend my faith and I have better things to do with my time than participate in this latest attempt to bash Christians and Jews (whom believe in the same God, just there is difference as to whether or not you believe Jesus was the son of God).

If a bunch of atheists want to display their bigotry, that's your guys business, just don't complain the next time someone whom is religious on this forum equates atheism to bigotry.

:cheers: Thank you! Thank you! Panda Bear and Inuyasha! Finally someone puts the atheists in their place! And they say they're more tolerant than Christians are! Doesn't sound all that "tolerant" to me!


your very post displays the exact same issue as the non tolerant atheists,
as for unyashas post, there are plenty of threads that have only to do with religious bigotry yet there are plenty of us that dont equate all religion with bigotry,
then again i dont care who is a biggot, religious or not, its no excuse.


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11 Dec 2011, 9:45 am

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:cheers: Thank you! Thank you! Panda Bear and Inuyasha! Finally someone puts the atheists in their place! And they say they're more tolerant than Christians are! Doesn't sound all that "tolerant" to me!


You're welcome, of course. But I don't see where asking Christians to explain why they believe what they believe would be emblematic of "intolerance", or that "Christians" putting "the atheists in their place" would signal tolerance.



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11 Dec 2011, 9:49 am

rocklobster wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Fnord wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Fnord wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Because I believe in God, and I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God... That's why I'm a Christian.
But, why do you believe in God, and that Jesus Christ is the son of God?
My guess is that he does not like the thought of dying. He wants to live Forever. ruveyn
Is this a thread about why people are Christian or just an attempt to mock fellow members of this forum, based on what you guys are saying, it looks like it is the latter.
Why don't you just answer the question?
Because he's a Christian, silly! Just because Christians think they have all of the answers, it doesn't mean that they have to share any of those answers with you!
Or, maybe he's just too ashamed to answer?

A Christian that is too ashamed of his beliefs to confess one of them?

Really?

There's hope for the secular world, after all!


I'm not ashamed of my beliefs, I'm just secure enough in my faith that I don't feel I have to defend my faith and I have better things to do with my time than participate in this latest attempt to bash Christians and Jews (whom believe in the same God, just there is difference as to whether or not you believe Jesus was the son of God).

If a bunch of atheists want to display their bigotry, that's your guys business, just don't complain the next time someone whom is religious on this forum equates atheism to bigotry.

:cheers: Thank you! Thank you! Panda Bear and Inuyasha! Finally someone puts the atheists in their place! And they say they're more tolerant than Christians are! Doesn't sound all that "tolerant" to me!


Yeah!! You showed them! No reason to defend beliefs despite parroting them all over the place! Anyone who questions them are INTOLERANT BIGOTS, mmmkay


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11 Dec 2011, 11:53 am

I am a Christian because I witnessed a miracle.
My parents left the faith before I was born and raised me as an agnostic.
They taught me there was no way of knowing if God existed or not.
They said "be good and maybe you will get to heaven if it turns out to be real".

My mom was diagnosed with a terminal cancer when I was 18 years old.
The next few months were filled with intense fear and pain.
The doctors tried everything to stop the spread of cancer with no success, and eventually gave up on treatment.
I spent the whole summer watching my mom get eaten from the inside out.

One day, I walked in to the hospital room and noticed something had changed.
My mom told me she had been praying with the hospital chaplain, and later Jesus Christ appeared at her bedside.
In that instant all her pain and fear left her.
I thought my mom had gone crazy, but the next day she went in for another test to check how far the cancer had spread.
The cancer was all GONE!

My mom however, lived just long enough to pray for me and tell me to start going to church.
Then, she went quietly to heaven.
I later found out she had written a letter to her sister saying she had seen the Holy Spirit in the form of a white dove sitting outside the hospital window.
He took off and flew high into the sky, and she knew God was telling her it was time to go Home.
She was to tired to sign the letter, but in place of a signature there was a single tear stain.

It was a few more months before I was saved.
I started going to church and reading everything I could find about the logical proofs of Christianity and the historical accuracy of the bible.
Eventually, I decided to give my life to Jesus and I finally felt that was where I belonged.

Anyway, that is my story of how I became a Christian.
It is not always easy and has not solved all my problems, but following Jesus is defiantly worth it :D


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11 Dec 2011, 1:41 pm

There are so many agnostic cancer patients out there that Jesus does not appear to.

Why not? They could all be converted that easily. And then not only would they no longer have cancer, they would not go to hell either.


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11 Dec 2011, 2:46 pm

OK, I guess I should give my reasoning. I'm a "cradle" Catholic (meaning I was baptized as an infant), but when back and forth with my Christianity. But as I got older, I started to read more stuff like C.S. Lewis (and not just his Narnia books, his nonfiction books are even better) and the Church fathers and it really opened my eyes. Then I started watching EWTN, a Catholic-based cable network, and they really gave me some unique insight into my faith. The way I feel about things is this. Yes, science is important, but it only answers the how. Life is both concrete and abstract. Science can only explain what is tangible. Religion explains the intangible. And there actually are some scientists who believe in God. Einstein for instance said that if you don't have a belief in the spirituality of things, you are as good as dead.



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11 Dec 2011, 2:56 pm

rocklobster wrote:
OK, I guess I should give my reasoning. I'm a "cradle" Catholic (meaning I was baptized as an infant), but when back and forth with my Christianity. But as I got older, I started to read more stuff like C.S. Lewis (and not just his Narnia books, his nonfiction books are even better) and the Church fathers and it really opened my eyes. Then I started watching EWTN, a Catholic-based cable network, and they really gave me some unique insight into my faith. The way I feel about things is this. Yes, science is important, but it only answers the how. Life is both concrete and abstract. Science can only explain what is tangible. Religion explains the intangible. And there actually are some scientists who believe in God. Einstein for instance said that if you don't have a belief in the spirituality of things, you are as good as dead.


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11 Dec 2011, 3:27 pm

His book Mere Christianity is, I think, one of the best pro-Christian books.



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11 Dec 2011, 3:29 pm

The more I got involved in the Christian church, the less I liked being a Christian.



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11 Dec 2011, 5:48 pm

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I'm not ashamed of my beliefs, I'm just secure enough in my faith that I don't feel I have to defend my faith and I have better things to do with my time than participate in this latest attempt to bash Christians and Jews (whom believe in the same God, just there is difference as to whether or not you believe Jesus was the son of God).

If a bunch of atheists want to display their bigotry, that's your guys business, just don't complain the next time someone whom is religious on this forum equates atheism to bigotry.

I can not agree more with you.
Many atheist here assume that everyone who has some kind of faith is a Christian.
This is just as judgmental as the Christian fundamentalist.
If anyone speaks against atheism they get insulted. I am a theist and I am very tolerant of all beliefs.
My beliefs are my own damn choice and no one should be criticized for what they believe in.



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11 Dec 2011, 5:55 pm

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Many atheist here assume that everyone who has some kind of faith is a Christian.

I don't think that is true.

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This is just as judgmental as the Christian fundamentalist.

If an atheist were to assume that everyone with some kind of fath is a Christian, then he would be incorrect.

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If anyone speaks against atheism they get insulted.

Why should they be insulted?

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no one should be criticized for what they believe in.

Why not?



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11 Dec 2011, 6:23 pm

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If anyone speaks against atheism they get insulted. I am a theist and I am very tolerant of all beliefs.
My beliefs are my own damn choice and no one should be criticized for what they believe in.


Do you tolerate nonsense? When you hear nonsense do you not speak out against it? Anyone who declares a belief in public invites disagreement and criticism. The only position that might not be assailed is silence. Yet even silence has its critics.

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11 Dec 2011, 6:43 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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If anyone speaks against atheism they get insulted. I am a theist and I am very tolerant of all beliefs.
My beliefs are my own damn choice and no one should be criticized for what they believe in.


Do you tolerate nonsense? When you hear nonsense do you not speak out against it? Anyone who declares a belief in public invites disagreement and criticism. The only position that might not be assailed is silence. Yet even silence has its critics.

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I think that the believing in Jesus and the bible is nonsense but I try not to offend Christians or jews.
I do speak out against it but try to be respectful of others beliefs.
I should have wrote " no one should be insulted for their beliefs"
Expressing opinions does not matter to me but people should be tolerant of others beliefs.
Insulting a religious person would be the same thing as insulting a homosexual but worded differently.
There is never any good reason to be a bigot.



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11 Dec 2011, 7:10 pm

If you want to label me as Christian, it's only because I was baptized. I'm agonist and was brought up that way by my parents. Religion was never a big deal with us and it shouldn't be with the rest of the planet but it is and that's why it's a mess that will never be fixed. :( I am so sick of hearing how wrong it is to have a religion and that I shouldn't celebrate religious holidays like Christmas because we have never really dug deep into its religious meaning like the rest of the world, it's just a holiday where we eat a nice meal, gather around our tree, give each other nice gifts, and just feel good and happy that we are able to. :)