Christmas = paganism

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Who is an abstract object invented by men.

Jehovah God is still an idol made up by man's mind.

Evidence?

You know comments like the above hit me hard when they're claims about ancient belief but that don't seem to be backed up with evidence.

Especially the Yuletide and Carols part.

When Nimrod died his mother Semiramis taught the lie that Nimrod had become a spirit god. The story was told of a full grown evergreen tree springing up overnight from a dead tree stump on Nimrod's grave. After being cut down in death the tree symbolized Nimrod springing forth to life as a god.

I'm sure Christmas celebrators would be insulted if they were accused of tree worship, but do they worship the tree? How many would say they had a Merry Christmas if they had no tree? How many honestly believe they are worshiping Christ with the aid of a tree? What of others who make the tree the focal point of their festival without admitting any faith in Jesus at all? For many the tree is obviously the most important, and more important, than Christ himself.

A modern example of Nimrod worship, which is also an ancient example of Nimrod worship, is the Yuletide celebration; common in Europe and all over the world. The Yule celebration was originally a great Germanic heathen, or pagan, celebration from the 7th century and it lasted for thirteen days. Eventually it became part of Christmas. As it goes the Yule log is cut, symbolizing Nimrod being cut down in death, and with much ceremony is made into the Christmas Eve fire. After the burning of the Yule log on Christmas Eve what is standing the room the next morning? Why the beautiful evergreen tree! The symbol of the slain god, Nimrod, comes to life again!

After that the evergreen tree became part of the December pagan festival. In Egypt, where pine trees are not available, the green branches of the palm were used. In India they made an imitation out of straw, wrapped with rope, plastered with mud into which they stuck oleander twigs. They just had to have their tree. The pagan Romans likewise decorated their homes with green bows, but they also added apples and other pagan associations. The holly was considered sacred by pagan sun worshipers.

If anyone does the research they will discover the true meaning behind the Christmas tree. Evidence? I presented it. What information would you provide to say the Christmas tree is not part of Nimrod worship? Even Neo-Pagans will tell you tree worship is part of their beliefs.

it's pagan roots are not a problem. if you can take the amoral or the unethical and elevate it to a level of holiness then props to you.

If you spilled paint on your house would you ignore the stain left behind? If you spilled ketchup on your favorite white shirt would you continue to wear that shirt if it had a stain? In both cases the stain would taint your value of your home and your favorite shirt.

Similarly if a celebration is rooted in paganism would the stain of it be okay with God? If Jesus says "God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth" (John 4:24) then where's the "truth" in a celebration whose origins are rife with paganism? As the apostle Paul writes, "YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah” and the table of demons." (1 Corinthians 10:21) Paganism in any form is simply incompatible with true worship and therefore can never be elevated to a level of holiness.

I asked for evidence not more claims and red herrings.

In other words, what primary sources support what you say.

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I would kindly ask you do the research yourself. You will gain great satisfaction if you put the work in and see the results yourself.

And please don't call my posts rhetorical tactics to divert attention away from the topic. The origin of the Christmas tree as a core pagan tenet is part of this thread's topic.

Paganism is used as a label to describe any religion that teaches aspects of the ancient Nimrod religion, which was spread throughout the earth after Jehovah confused the languages.

It's kind of like Baskin-Robbins. There are 31 flavors to choose from, but all of it is ice cream. There are "31 flavors" of religions in the world today, but virtually all of them are pagan by the simple fact they teach a variety of doctrines that contain triad of gods or polytheism, immortality of the human soul, hell or hellfire (basically a place for the damned to be punished for sins they committed in life), mother-child worship, and so forth. I'm sure from a cursory review you know a few religions that teach these doctrines.

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Primary source please.

This is about intellectual integrity, nothing more.

So you must concede that we are all free to have our own views on who or what jesus was. And you must surely recognise that my view is based on observable fact and reasonable speculation about how humanities beliefs have developed and evolved.

You seem stuck on this idea that there must be evidence to clear this up once and for all and yet you know that there is no evidence to indicate the original source of christmas, whether it be pagan or christian. These questions are for speculative debate, this is not science, and we all know that once we go past a certain point in history things become very unclear and speculation is the only thing we have.

I'm not concerned with the question of whether Christmas is pagan or not. I'm concerned with the lies both you and kxmode are spreading.

I acknowledge Christmas may have its roots in paganism, but I don't believe many of the specifics you and he have been mindlessly spouting without evidence.

Yes, evidence matters a lot to me. It's historical evidence that makes me believe Alexander the Great existed, Hannibal existed, the Apostle Paul existed, the ancient Roman Empire existed, famous ancient wars occurred, and so on.

What historical evidence do you guys make use of?