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15 Mar 2012, 1:34 pm

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sure you can still buy condoms, and how would the effect be any different if free contraceptives were privded at similar locals around the US?

I don't know how the effect would be any different, the point is that what you are talking about is not the same thing as free unlimited access to contraception for all citizens.



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people will likely not buy them unboxed

So sell them boxed.

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there is not a big market for the cheap brands that are currently given away (i checked on eBay)

Please link me the pages you looked at.

hyperlexian wrote:
our clinics here in Canada give away condoms for free (no limits on how many a person takes either)

Source please. I want to know all the circumstances. Can I just walk into a clinic and get as many condoms as I like at any time?

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try again

What?



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15 Mar 2012, 1:42 pm

link to what? an eBay search? :lol:

you cannot sell condoms boxed without having.... boxes. where would a person get the boxes from? they don't give out boxes of condoms in clinics - they are individual only.

no, i am not going to give a source to the fact you can get free condoms in clinics in Canada. come and visit and you can get some free condoms if you like. yes, you can walk in and get as many condoms as you like - sort of. they keep them in a basket usually, but they only put out a couple of handfuls at a time.


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15 Mar 2012, 1:43 pm

Burzum wrote:
Oodain wrote:
sure you can still buy condoms, and how would the effect be any different if free contraceptives were privded at similar locals around the US?

I don't know how the effect would be any different, the point is that what you are talking about is not the same thing as free unlimited access to contraception for all citizens.



hyperlexian wrote:
people will likely not buy them unboxed

So sell them boxed.

hyperlexian wrote:
there is not a big market for the cheap brands that are currently given away (i checked on eBay)

Please link me the pages you looked at.

hyperlexian wrote:
our clinics here in Canada give away condoms for free (no limits on how many a person takes either)

Source please. I want to know all the circumstances. Can I just walk into a clinic and get as many condoms as I like at any time?

hyperlexian wrote:
try again

What?


your attitude is puzzling.

in denmark there is state financing for birth control for women if there is a medical reason, (many receive them for these issues)
there is a free distribution of condoms for anyone who wants to get off their ass to get it.

in effect anyone who wants to have sex can have free condoms.


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15 Mar 2012, 2:32 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
link to what? an eBay search? :lol:

Yes.

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you cannot sell condoms boxed without having.... boxes. where would a person get the boxes from? they don't give out boxes of condoms in clinics - they are individual only.

The topic of this thread is regarding government mandated coverage of birth control, which means being able to get condoms free from retail, which means getting boxed condoms. Apologies for not inherently knowing you were talking about clinics in Canada.

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no, i am not going to give a source to the fact you can get free condoms in clinics in Canada.

Then why should I believe that what you are talking about is in any way related to the topic of discussion?

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yes, you can walk in and get as many condoms as you like - sort of. they keep them in a basket usually, but they only put out a couple of handfuls at a time.

So you've debunked your own claim, that being that you have unlimited access. I'm willing to bet that they won't let you take more than a handful at a time, either. Do all clinics provide this service, or only some?

Regardless, a lot of the people that are currently in favour of free birth control are not advocating that clinics provide a cheap brand of condoms for free, they are advocating that government should mandate coverage of contraception by insurance companies, meaning you can get any brand of condoms for free from retail. I take it you do not side with these people?



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15 Mar 2012, 2:44 pm

it is reasonable to assume that "free condoms" would not mean that a person would have the ability to walk away with 500 at a time. just like when a store gives away free samples of biscuits or whatever, they normally will not allow a person to walk away with hundreds of samples. it falls under the umbrella of "reasonable"... and your fears are not covered by that.

about the other things... you're taking this discussion to a level of absurd hyperbole.


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15 Mar 2012, 2:46 pm

A burly Sasquatch walks into a clinic in canada. He takes the satchel he brought with him and pours all the condoms in, time to have fun


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15 Mar 2012, 2:48 pm

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A burly Sasquatch walks into a clinic in canada. He takes the satchel he brought with him and pours all the condoms in, time to have fun

DON'T TELL PEOPLE WE HAVE THE SASQUATCH!! !! HE IS OUR SECRET!! !! !


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15 Mar 2012, 3:22 pm

The funny thing is; I do believe that people are essentially mindless automatons of the universe, that people 'can't' help themselves because they simply don't have the circuitry for self-denial unless they've had some kind of hardship or genetic problem (hence the world *really* doesn't want them procreating), but I still have some confusion on this part - even at $35 to $50 per month, how is getting an AT&T or Verizon bill in her email monthly and spending $1,000 over three years not just as much of an affront to her rights or how is paying $300 per half on her auto insurance (if she drives) not an affront to her mobility?

If the argument is really about a repealed discount on birth control it looks like this debate went WAY offsides - from both Sandra Fluke's side and Rush Limbaugh's. When debates like this come out its hard not to think that its really just a political stalking game.


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15 Mar 2012, 4:54 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
it is reasonable to assume that "free condoms" would not mean that a person would have the ability to walk away with 500 at a time. just like when a store gives away free samples of biscuits or whatever, they normally will not allow a person to walk away with hundreds of samples. it falls under the umbrella of "reasonable"... and your fears are not covered by that.

about the other things... you're taking this discussion to a level of absurd hyperbole.


Arguing with the hard of thinking is hazardous to your own mental health.

Suffice it to say that I can think of at least four locations within a five minute walk of my office where I can get my hands on free condoms should I require them.

If I wanted to take more than those on display I think I would get greeted with a response along the lines of, "How many do you think you will need? If you run out, come back tomorrow, we'll have fresh ones."


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