Reincarnation Mathematically/Physically Possible?

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They talked about her case in 'The Day I Died' which I ended up watching this evening. I think the most interesting thing in that video was the anesthesiologist's attempt at explaining what he believes NDE's really are.

Two chances: Slim and None.

ruveyn

Hi bizboy1,


A book search on books-dot-google for the phrase "zero implies infinity" gives mainly math & physics, with
"zero implies infinite immortality" it's more philosophical (including Poincare Recurrence Theorem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3 ... ce_theorem ).

For simpler math:

http://voices.yahoo.com/from-infinity-d ... tml?cat=58

http://voices.yahoo.com/infinitys-twin-5918044.html

Also in the book:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... t%22+Verma

For physics to "stick infinity under the rug":

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... an+also%22

zero "infinite number of particles" Feynman

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... f+Hoyle%22
and pages 97, 266 (for infinite particles, infinite dilution)

If any physical infinity exists, or a physical nothingness exists, then 100% certainty of infinity of repetitions of each & all possible permutations of everything.

Another confusing part is keeping the "wording" as taking on the "worded with existence", as "Casper the Friendly Ghost" has the label, but no existence except the labeling (Skinnerian Behaviourism's science of "Verbal Behaviour" avoids this confusion involving "words"). Another more confusing example are shadows (shadows do not exist, and are mere concepts constructed with "words", as a "shadow" can move move faster than light (a philosophy book takes about 800 pages to clarify this issue). An easier to comprehend example is a light beam from a laser pointer, with the "point" of light from the laser-pointer's light beam easily transversing the surface of the Moon faster than the speed of light (which takes about 20-30 pages of philosophy to "explain").

Tadzio

Yeah I know about that case, it was interesting. There was also a heat attack victim who described the nurse and the doctors trying to revive him. I know that it is hard to tell what this memory of the experience refers to. Are they remembering the brain losing consciousness? Or are they remembering what happened when they lost consciousness?

From the indications given, at a minimum, they're remembering things the doctors said and did while they were in comatic states.

We are not what we are just because of the material we are made of. What we are is shaped by the particular experience and history each of us have had. How can a person be reproduced after death without the experience that shaped him/her?

ruveyn

I would love to have an NDE, so if I have a heart attack I think I will be glad.

They suck. Mine was drug induced. I then became depersonalized and derealized. So far it's been 6 months.

my late grandfather died on the OR table and was rescuisitated, and later on everybody asked him, "well, what did you see when you were dead?" but he wouldn't say anything other than to say "i'm not afraid of death anymore."

Your grand parent was not really dead. Perhaps the breathing and the heart stopped but the brain retained the ability ro resume the heartbeat when measures were applied. Really dead and gone people do not come back to tell us about it.

ruveyn

I like to think our consciousness is a form of energy that is attached to consciences that are vibrating on the same level through quantum entanglement. A theoretical physicist could explain it better than me, but I digress... Since energy can neither be made, nor destroyed, I assume our conscience is a form of energy that will travel along the same vibration after our current body is used up until it finds a new vessel. Something like a hermit crab when it grows out of its shell. There is no way of knowing if I'm right or wrong, so in the mean time, I will continue searching for the higher vibrations.

A theoretical physicist (who knows a thing or two about neurobiology) would roll his eyes and say "that's new age nonsense repackaged in a pseudoscientific wrapper". People love the idea that all matter is energy, but matter has to take a very specific form to create a working brain made of living, breathing cells with a metabolism that communicate with the help of protein molecules.

If this intricate biological structure is no longer supplied with oxygen and glucose, the neurons die and neurochemical signal transmission stops. Which means there is no more thought, emotion or consciousness. The energy of the chemical compounds that used to be a working brain is only preserved insofar that it serves as food for saprotrophs such as worms and as fertilizer for plants.

You mean the movie on DVD isn't the same movie as the original one on celluloid?



With my NDE's being just about monthly before six years ago, I know ER doctors tend not to like their proclamations of death being challenged by the person classified as dead.

The book "Out-of-Body and Near-Death Experiences: Brain-State Phenomena or Glimpses of Immortality?" (Oxford Theological Monographs) by Michael N. Marsh, has many references, and often available previews:

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... oscopic%22

Tadzio

I'd say if you're born a slave and think its possible to be reborn, whether as a king or something else, do reality justice, overthrow the king, and create a democracy. I could just as well say that all these people stuck on the notion of infinite death are willing to do anything and everything to validate their own existence, whether it means destroying the environment or trampling over the person next to them to get wealthy and get what they want before they, in a few very short years, slip into the eternal void of nothingness.

Why would the probability of an event go to zero? Yah, in some isolated epochs, like the big bang, there is no chance of life manifesting itself since the conditions don't allow it. To understand infinity, you have to take all aeons into account, and we already know that being born is possible, so we know in the grand scheme (the overall picture) of things that the probability is more than just zero. When reducing everything to a singularity, we know that there is at least one tiny epoch where its possible for life to evolve and for us to manifest as conscious individuals. This era is really a set of conditions, and if its possible once, it can be repeated again. This is the fundamental idea behind science. If a particular set of conditions are possible at all, they should be repeatable. Well, I know me being alive is possible just by me being. Taking that in account, it should be able to happen again if similar conditions happen.

I ended up watching 'The Day I Died' for s^&*s and giggles and the argument and circumstantials seems to point that people are in deep comas, leaving their bodies, and doctors are giving feedback that these people are describing things that they had no visual contact with - in the room and while there's no brain activity - that they had not seen previously. They're also crystal on things said, body language, all while the brain is shut down, tape is over the eyes, and earplugs are even in place.

That result could mean a lot of different things, as well as the experiences reported, and I think things like this need continued close study because it would be interesting as well - even if through some fluke of entanglement consciousness survives outside the body for a little bit - to see whether people of different religious backgrounds see entirely different things, whether it comes down to them getting blanketed in their own tautologies and little more, or if they're sharing the same experience.

In The Day I Died, what I find remarkable is the woman who had her heart stopped and her brain drained of blood for one hour. Which in medical terms means she must have been dead, because without blood no oxygen can be in the brain.

So surely this raises the question of what do we mean by "dead". I know I have read of cases where people have been proclaimed dead but then came back to life, so do we really understand what it means to die?