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ValentineWiggin
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03 Apr 2012, 11:55 am

Oh, look!
We've fallen down a rabbithole of circlejerkery instead of discussing which feminist ideas/individuals/writings/issues/organizations people object to/support, and why.

~insert FIFTY EIGHT MORE pages of garbage~


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03 Apr 2012, 12:12 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Oh, look!
We've fallen down a rabbithole of circlejerkery instead of discussing which feminist ideas/individuals/writings/issues/organizations people object to/support, and why.

~insert FIFTY EIGHT MORE pages of garbage~


Why yes we have. And it's entirely YOUR fault.

I do look fwd to umpteen more pages of your sarcastic piffle, though. Carry on!



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03 Apr 2012, 12:13 pm

Girl Power!


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03 Apr 2012, 12:16 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Oh, look!
We've fallen down a rabbithole of circlejerkery instead of discussing which feminist ideas/individuals/writings/issues/organizations people object to/support, and why.

~insert FIFTY EIGHT MORE pages of garbage~


Why yes we have. And it's entirely YOUR fault.

I do look fwd to umpteen more pages of your sarcastic piffle, though. Carry on!


I'm sorry to disappoint- I've become bored of begging people to make good on their assertions.


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03 Apr 2012, 12:27 pm

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You're equating those who say bad things about feminism with those who oppose sexual equality. Those things are not at all equal.

Since it's been provided for us, I'll appeal to definition, and say they are.

8O

This makes no sense.

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Perhaps they find the condescending tone all too common with feminism offputting? Perhaps they find the way that too many feminists resort to unreasonably calling their opponents 'sexist' or 'misogynist' obnoxious?

Right, because we can speculate about the "tone" of millions of people.

I am not speculating about millions of people. I'm telling you my impression, based on what I've seen and heard.

If you want to give me a different impression, perhaps you should abandon your current tactic of calling anyone who disagrees with you or has a negative impression of feminism "a misogynist by definition".

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Who exactly opposes sexual equality if not sexists? Am I missing something?

We aren't talking about opposing sexual equality. We are talking about people who oppose and/or have something negative to say about feminism, whether they correctly target their criticisms or not.


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03 Apr 2012, 12:31 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Oh, look!
We've fallen down a rabbithole of circlejerkery instead of discussing which feminist ideas/individuals/writings/issues/organizations people object to/support, and why.

~insert FIFTY EIGHT MORE pages of garbage~


Support: Women working for basic human rights in the third world.

Against: Everything else.



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03 Apr 2012, 1:09 pm

All political struggles are preoccupied with power. By definition!

The American Revolution was pre-occupied with power. Anti-slavery movements were preoccupied with power. The suffrage movement was preoccupied with power. The civil rights movements (whether feminist, gay, racial or otherwise) are all preoccupied with power, because that's what they're about!! !

When an employer refuses to hire a black person, that's an abuse of power.
When a landlord refuses to rent to a gay couple, that's an abuse of power.
When police treat a report of rape with more suspicion than a report of mugging, that's an abuse of power.


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03 Apr 2012, 7:25 pm

TM wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Oh, look!
We've fallen down a rabbithole of circlejerkery instead of discussing which feminist ideas/individuals/writings/issues/organizations people object to/support, and why.

~insert FIFTY EIGHT MORE pages of garbage~


Support: Women working for basic human rights in the third world.

Against: Everything else.


1. So you are against forms of discrimination against women in non third world countries.

2. You are agaisnt allowing women to have abortions in non third world countries.

3. You are against women working for basic human rights in America and other non third world countries.

4. You are against protecting women and girls from domestic violence, sexual harassment, and sexual assault in non third world countries

5. You are against equal pay for women in non third world countries.

6. You are against women's rights in non third world countries,

So since you are only for womens basic human right in ONLY third world countries you fail to see that you are then against their basic human rights in NON third world countries.



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04 Apr 2012, 5:56 am

Joker wrote:
TM wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Oh, look!
We've fallen down a rabbithole of circlejerkery instead of discussing which feminist ideas/individuals/writings/issues/organizations people object to/support, and why.

~insert FIFTY EIGHT MORE pages of garbage~


Support: Women working for basic human rights in the third world.

Against: Everything else.


1. So you are against forms of discrimination against women in non third world countries.

2. You are agaisnt allowing women to have abortions in non third world countries.

3. You are against women working for basic human rights in America and other non third world countries.

4. You are against protecting women and girls from domestic violence, sexual harassment, and sexual assault in non third world countries

5. You are against equal pay for women in non third world countries.

6. You are against women's rights in non third world countries,

So since you are only for womens basic human right in ONLY third world countries you fail to see that you are then against their basic human rights in NON third world countries.


They already have their human rights in non-third world countries, so feminism can close its chapters in these areas and double down on the places where they are really needed, namely the third world.



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04 Apr 2012, 5:58 am

Where did Delaney go? I was expecting the PPR polemicist smack-down of the century here, but it's looking more like a hit and run. Man, now what am I going to do with all this popcorn and soda... :P


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04 Apr 2012, 6:08 am

I think the original Agenda for Feminists is for gender equality not to be confused with the extremists also known as the Femnazis. The Femnazis are the small percentage wanting more than that, and complete and utter dominance of the male gender out of pure hatred and revenge, correct me if I am wrong on this one.
Feminists on the other hand just want to be on equal terms. I may not be a woman, but I at least try to understand the concept even though I will probably never understand because I am a man, but I will still show some compassion for both sides. I do not know if it is my aspie nature in logic? Or the fact that I am a Libra and wishes to keep peace.


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04 Apr 2012, 7:15 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:
DC wrote:

When people start typing 'full stop' and using capitals, italics and bold words in the middle of a sentence it usually means they have absolutely no evidence to back up what ever absurdities they are claiming.

"Full stop" referred to the unqualified declarations of others.
The rest was used to emphasize the same words I'd stress if speaking verbally.
But take it as license to be obnoxious if you must.

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Get the picture?

I'm well-aware of the definition, which is precisely why I invoked it.
I find it hard to believe someone who opposes sexual equality wouldn't meet that description, your condescension aside.

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In no definition of misogyny does anyone mention feminism, you can not simply take a word and redefine it to your unique and wholly undefined usage and claim that the rest of the world should have known about your definition while pretending that the rest of the world doesn't define the word in a different way.

Excuse me for assuming it a given that those who oppose sexual equality and efforts to achieve it are misogynists.
I'm sure they have some OTHER motivation, yet to be elaborated. :lol:
Oh I see, you whine and moan about people speculating about millions of feminists and yet you speculate about the millions who oppose feminism, even going as far as playing armchair psychoanalyst. I'm loving your self-serving double standards. If everyone who disagrees with you is a misogynist, then everyone who disagreed with McCarthy must have been a commie. And like DC said, no dictionary defines misogynists as "everyone who opposes feminist ideology". Speaking of obnoxious and condescending, you really don't realize how much you're projecting.



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04 Apr 2012, 7:36 am

visagrunt wrote:
All political struggles are preoccupied with power. By definition!

The American Revolution was pre-occupied with power. Anti-slavery movements were preoccupied with power. The suffrage movement was preoccupied with power. The civil rights movements (whether feminist, gay, racial or otherwise) are all preoccupied with power, because that's what they're about!! !

When an employer refuses to hire a black person, that's an abuse of power.
When a landlord refuses to rent to a gay couple, that's an abuse of power.
When police treat a report of rape with more suspicion than a report of mugging, that's an abuse of power.


I would play a certain rap song here, but it's got swearing in it. :lol:

Hint: it's got 'power' in the title. :lol:


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04 Apr 2012, 9:05 am

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I would play a certain rap song here, but it's got swearing in it. :lol:

Hint: it's got 'power' in the title. :lol:

I hate to sound stupid here, but I don't follow music in general or rap specifically very much. Would you mind telling me the title?


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04 Apr 2012, 10:12 am

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