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09 Apr 2012, 2:53 pm

tuffy wrote:

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The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

I don't get homophobia from straight men to be honest, on a logical level it doesn't make sense. So, you're saying that this guy, who wants to f**k other men, who I don't want to f**k, and doesn't want to f**k women that I do want to f**k is a bad thing?

No, I'm saying spreading lies about gays recruiting is dangerous, it gets people hurt and even killed.

I guess if I get charged for sexually harassing lesbians to come have a threesome with me I'll just say that it's not harassment its a recruiting drive!

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09 Apr 2012, 3:13 pm

TM wrote:

tuffy wrote:

The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

Homophobes are likely gay themselves but are too scared to act on it. So they get jealous when they see two men necking

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09 Apr 2012, 9:19 pm

TM wrote:

tuffy wrote:

The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

I think it is some subconscious thought that they are attractive, so gay guys obviously want to have sex with them. This makes them uncomfortable. Ridiculous, of course: very few men would be rapists (presumably a similar proportion to straight men), and in any case these people are often time not at all attractive.

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09 Apr 2012, 9:30 pm

TM wrote:

tuffy wrote:

The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

What makes you think that only straight MEN are homophobic? You'd be shocked at how many homophobic, straight women there are out there. A good example of this is the refusal by most straight gals to date bisexual men; because such women believe erroneously that these guys are just gay guys in the closet and are potential AIDS vectors. Another I notices is that while straight women generally like gay men, they are often very uncomfortable around lesbians. Somehow straight people think that homosexuality is 'hawt' when it involves the opposite sex, and 'creepy' when it involves the same sex.

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09 Apr 2012, 9:39 pm

it's true - there are lots of homophobic women. here is something interesting about the link between homophobic men and traditional gender roles.

apparently, men who are homophobic are also more likely to be anti-feminist.

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For men, the significant correlation between positive feminine gender-role traits and feminism scores suggests these variables do not act completely independently. Men with more warm and caring traits are prepared to take a more liberal view about the role of women, and also, it appears, to the expression of a range of sexualities.

http://www.uiowa.edu/~grpproc/crisp/crisp.5.4.htm

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09 Apr 2012, 9:43 pm

Vigilans wrote:

TM wrote:

tuffy wrote:

The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

Homophobes are likely gay themselves but are too scared to act on it. So they get jealous when they see two men necking

Is the same true with homophobic women?

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09 Apr 2012, 9:55 pm

AspieRogue wrote:

TM wrote:

tuffy wrote:

The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

You'd be shocked at how many homophobic, straight women there are out there. A good example of this is the refusal by most straight gals to date bisexual men; because such women believe erroneously that these guys are just gay guys in the closet and are potential AIDS vectors.

Well, that's actually a good place to start with their assumptions! It's always safer to presume a sexual partner has AIDS until it's proven otherwise. And bisexual men, and especially gay men, are at much higher risk than straight men.

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09 Apr 2012, 9:57 pm

AspieRogue wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

TM wrote:

tuffy wrote:

The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

Homophobes are likely gay themselves but are too scared to act on it. So they get jealous when they see two men necking

Is the same true with homophobic women?

Maybe in some cases. The most homophobic women I have seen were WBC members so I would think extreme homophobia from females is usually of a religious origin. I should add I was being facetious anyway, most homophobes are probably not in the closet

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09 Apr 2012, 10:28 pm

Vigilans wrote:

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TM wrote:

tuffy wrote:

The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

Homophobes are likely gay themselves but are too scared to act on it. So they get jealous when they see two men necking

Is the same true with homophobic women?

Maybe in some cases. The most homophobic women I have seen were WBC members so I would think extreme homophobia from females is usually of a religious origin.

That's actually not true at all. I see a lot of implicit homophobia on behalf of straight women when it comes to their refusal to date bisexual men. Not to mention their discomfort around homosexual women.

As I said before, many straights have a blatant double standard when it comes to homosexuality.

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09 Apr 2012, 10:31 pm

AspieRogue wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

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Vigilans wrote:

TM wrote:

tuffy wrote:

The homophobia in this thread is highly disturbing. Some gays are evil, like with any other group of people. But gays don't recruit, that's a stupid conspiracy lie. D:

Homophobes are likely gay themselves but are too scared to act on it. So they get jealous when they see two men necking

Is the same true with homophobic women?

Maybe in some cases. The most homophobic women I have seen were WBC members so I would think extreme homophobia from females is usually of a religious origin.

How do you know it is not true? You have only described their behavior, not the reasoning behind it

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10 Apr 2012, 5:38 am

Vigilans wrote:

Homophobes are likely gay themselves but are too scared to act on it. So they get jealous when they see two men necking

Ugh, some people do not want to admit that the real reason behind homophobes is the fact that they hate behind the fact that gays are in the minority. In that EA thread, I already have pointed out that even if they are aroused, it doesn't indicate that they are gay. Asides, people who hates atheists while do not participate it are likely to be athiests themselves, but are too scared to admit on it.

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10 Apr 2012, 12:12 pm

Reptillian wrote:

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Homophobes are likely gay themselves but are too scared to act on it. So they get jealous when they see two men necking

This does not seem to make very much sense

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10 Apr 2012, 12:18 pm

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How do you know it is not true? You have only described their behavior, not the reasoning behind it

Well for one, most the homophobic women I've met are not WBC members nor religious cooks either. I've met plenty of "liberal" straight women who are very fond of gay men, but homophobic towards lesbians. So you cannot simply explain their attitudes away by their religious beliefs. You see, I live in a city(Seattle) where <<50% of the population is religious. And I've never met a single WBC member around these parts.

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10 Apr 2012, 12:35 pm

AspieRogue wrote:

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How do you know it is not true? You have only described their behavior, not the reasoning behind it

You still do not know their motivations however. So them not being WBC does not matter (I only gave them as an example of an extreme). Homophobia is a lot more than just distaste. I do not find the concept of men having sex particularly appealing. Many heterosexual women probably feel the same. How do you know the women you are using in this example are not part of the <50% religious demographic? Homophobic women are also a minority, and there is a fair chance they are part of that religious demographic.

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10 Apr 2012, 12:46 pm

Vigilans wrote:

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How do you know it is not true? You have only described their behavior, not the reasoning behind it

What evidence do you have that women in seattle who are homophobic towards lesbians are part of the religious demographic? Furthermore, your theory of religiously motivated homophobia doesn't hold water when it comes to straight women who are accepting of gay men but intolerant towards lesbians. AFAIK, religion tends to disapprove of ALL forms of homosexuality, not just gayness. You also totally WRONG that straight women find male homosexuality to be distasteful. It turns out that there is a big market for gay porn among women(as in adult videos and erotic fiction) just as lesbian porn is quite popular with men.

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10 Apr 2012, 12:51 pm

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What evidence do you have that women in seattle who are homophobic towards lesbians are part of the religious demographic?

What evidence do you have that they aren't? I am taking the simplest explanation in the absence of solid data. You are the one who is making a broad claim so I ask that you back that up

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Furthermore, your theory of religiously motivated homophobia doesn't hold water when it comes to straight women who are accepting of gay men but intolerant towards lesbians. AFAIK, religion tends to disapprove of ALL forms of homosexuality, not just gayness.

I quite clearly stated in my last post that homophobia is a lot more than distaste. Distaste is not homophobia. Chances are they are "intolerant" for the same reasons straight males act this way, which is a matter of distaste. Homophobia is a way bigger deal than just not liking somebody's lifestyle, it is a deeply ingrained hatred

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You also totally WRONG that straight women find male homosexuality to be distasteful. It turns out that there is a big market for gay porn among women(as in adult videos and erotic fiction) just as lesbian porn is quite popular with men.

I have not once said this, ever.

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