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People wiped off the map, or peoples wiped off the map? Do you think that the downfall of a culture is a crime, independent of the killing of any member of the culture? If every native American freely decided that they don't want to bother preserving their culture, would a crime have been committed?



Sounds awful, but a prohibition against killing does not require an argument about group identities. People should not kill people without a very good reason, period. This principle is a hallmark of advanced modern societies, and applies to people because they are people, not because they are members of a certain group.



White nativists think of people in terms of groups, rather than in terms of invididuals. They say that a certain place "belongs to the white race", for whatever reason, and they use this idea to battle against immigration and contact with foreign races. It seems to me that the things you are saying about native Americans on the American continent could also be said about white people on the British Isles. Does that mean that British anti-immigrant groups have an good argument?

In respond to your accusation - no, I'm not a nativist - this is about racism (despite nobody there wants to call it that)

I'm speaking in terms of a group because the racism towards this particular group in question in the south of the continent is practicially unanimous.

I think you know that I agree - I'm not trying to agrue, I'm trying to highlight the necessity of action on the subject of something my government sees fit to ignore - they could stop this but they have no interest in doing so. (unless internaional media is taking note of a specific indicient, in which case they punish the offenders very lightly, rather than not at all - since not at all is the normal,)

Yes but in that case, the logic of the people doing the killing is that they are allowed to kill them because they are indios - if you asked them about it they would shrug as say "it was just an indio". Indios are treated little better or often worse than dogs. People there often call them cockroaches and other such names - even going so far as to call people of countries comprised of mostly indios the same names.

Despite it is different now on paper - actually changing peoples attitudes and actions after 500 years of instutionalized racism is now proving to be a near impossible task.

I see that you are coming from a completely different place than I had thought. I made a false assumption that you were talking about something more abstract, and I'm sorry. Can it really be that bad?



I agree that steps need to be taken to combat institutionalised discrimination in the present day, to the extent that it can be proven to exist. I guess that it would not be at all difficult to prove that it exists in your home country. I'm now very curious about which country it is, but don't tell me. I want to try to figure it out. I previously thought you were from the Soviet Union, as in "the place I'm from doesn't exist anymore", but maybe you're from a Soviet-allied part of Latin America?

Yes I do this place is an aspie paradise.

My great granparents immagrated to America. WHen they got here americans treated then the. Same way african americans where treated. Ahhh the american dream

Lucky! I've met a fellow MIT class of 2016 who lives in Los Altos. She's always jealous of you guys who live in Mountain View.

I think we should take our current discussion somewhere else, as it's not related to the topic at hand.

I love the area I hope not to move away too soon however in a year my sister might PCS out of mountainview to somewhere in either Florida or Georgia. I love the bay area here so diverse and people are more welcoming here and alot of Chinese people to practice my mandarin I have gotten very profficient at it and have no accent when I speak it. I get alot of compliments from chinese parents that I speak it better than their sons. I get a god response like " han bang" "sounds like hawn bong" wo shi mei guo ren wo bu shi zhong guo ren. Wo xihuan zhon guo nu pengyo.

Or you could have said:
"It would be less expensive for me to attend college in Canada, and my parents and I did consider that option. However, we feel that American colleges offer educational opportunities that are superior to those of Canadian institutions."

Your wording sounds like you're trying to pick a fight with me.

I dunno about her picking fights,I think she is only sticking up for herself.Some of the responses on this thread for some reason I do sense some rather xenophobic vibes.

America accepts more legal immigrants than any other country in the world many times over and then you have the millions of illegal immigrants we tolerate being here. Out of any people on Earth, we can not be accused of being xenophobic or racist. Maybe go criticize those homogenous European countries that literally elect Nazis when they go from 99% of population to 95% of the population. There are many people in America right now that are citizens that just struggling to get by and you want a bigger piece of the pie?

I'd feel more sorry for you if you weren't already a Canadian citizen and admitted to MIT. You'll have much more opportunities in life than the vast majority of Americans.

Neither have any of the European nations. So why pick on the U.S.?

ruveyn

Oh, that was mainly a side discussion. If the MIT was somewhere else we would have been discussing that other country instead. If anything, the fact that a place such as the MIT exists there says good things about the U.S.

Then pay for your aspirations like everyone else.

I'll be in a lot of debt once I graduate from college, believe me. I'll be working hard all my life to pay.

You stated in earlier posts that you are an immigrant but without a greencard. That you have submitted your immigration papers but the wait is very long and it hasn't gone through yet. You are 18.

This may sound harsh but its just how things are:

1- No greencard means you are not a resident. You have a permit to reside temporarily in the US until your resident status get accepted/declined.

I've friends from way back in high school that applied for greencards and 15 years later they are still waiting and they still live in the US with a temporary permit. I got mine in 6 months as I came in through family stream (one parent US citizen).

2- No greencard means that in any legal situation you are a foreigner... be it for school, court, etc. You pay taxes because you live in US territory..taxes do not entitle anyone to services from the state. Residency/Citizenship do.

3- You're 18 and the wait for your greencard is very likely linked to your parent's submitting the paperwork for themselves and you. Those papers usually take a lot, lot longer.


You should consult with your parents and speak to an immigration lawyer about the status of your application at least twice a year. Even though you may have asked for a greencard when you were a minor there may be faster paths once you are 21 years of age (and hopefully about to graduate MIT)... you could then likely qualify under a talent/skills immigration policy on your own.


... or you could marry a US citizen and the whole thing is solved in a year's time.

I understand this. My parents actually started applying for green cards (for me too) when I was less than 18 years old.

And I'm not about to marry anyone anytime soon.