Is Christianity Truly Compatible with Capitalism?

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Are Christianity and Capitalism Compatible?

Christianity Supports Capitalism 100%	5%	[ 2 ]
Christianity Somewhat Supports Capitalism	3%	[ 1 ]
Christianity is Indifferent to Capitalism	21%	[ 8 ]
Christianity is Somewhat Against Capitalism	23%	[ 9 ]
Christianity is Totally Against Capitalism	41%	[ 16 ]
Just show the results	8%	[ 3 ]

Total votes : 39

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02 Dec 2012, 12:15 pm

BreezeGod wrote:

Depends on which Christianity you're referring to.

Capitalism and the so-called Protestant Work Ethic go together.

By the way the "Protestant Work Ethic" was originally Jewish. Jews did not look down on labor, as did the upper class Greeks. They saw labor as making manifest G-D's will on Earth and transforming Earth to a fit home for G-D. This is the tikkun olam of the Jewish religion, the perfection (or ordering) of the world. It is ultimately what all our labor, be it ever so humble, should lead to.

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02 Dec 2012, 3:25 pm

So why does a CEO need to make 1000 times more than his employees make?

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02 Dec 2012, 3:43 pm

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Matthew 19:24

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02 Dec 2012, 3:44 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

So why does a CEO need to make 1000 times more than his employees make?

To CEO's, 'need' is a alien concept.

They only have varying degrees of 'want'.

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02 Dec 2012, 4:10 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

So why does a CEO need to make 1000 times more than his employees make?

Why is it any of your business what a CEO makes?

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02 Dec 2012, 5:06 pm

Christianity is actually totally against capitalism. 1Timothy 6:1 "For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the true faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows." Jesus himself said it is very difficult for a rich man to enter heaven. In the old testament, Israel was ordered by God to adopt some very socialist practices, such as jubilee (every 50 years all the wealth (land) would be returned to its former owners). Farmers were not allowed to harvest all their crops so that the poor could eat what was left.

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02 Dec 2012, 5:06 pm

ruveyn wrote:

BreezeGod wrote:

Depends on which Christianity you're referring to.

One of the primary reasons why Protestantism became so closely associated with capitalism was because the first and strongest Protestant converts were the people of the towns and cities, where commerce, rather than manorial agrarianism of the lords and serfs, was the way of life. The people of the towns were the middle class (which encompassed everything from the wealthiest merchants to the workmen) were often at odds with the established social order, as they clashed over territorial disputes with nobles, were a magnet to runaway serfs, and were open to new ideas. It's no surprise that the fathers of the Reformation, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Crammer, etc. were born and raised in towns.

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03 Dec 2012, 12:37 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

Jesus even comes off sounding downright liberal in

Luke 6 wrote:

Happy are you poor;
the Kingdom of God is yours!
Happy are you who are hungry now;
you will be filled!
Happy are you who weep now;
you will laugh!

But how terrible for you who are rich now;
you have had your easy life!
How terrible for you who are full now;
you will go hungry!
How terrible for you who laugh now;
you will mourn and weep!

Damn! That's class warfare, straight up. How can Christians claim their Lord and Savior was without sin with that kind of angry leftist vitriol? The son of God obviously envies those who worked harder and were thus more successful than he was.

I mean, he goes further than even the biggest sniveling liberal on this forum. The rich man should be eternally damned for the sin of having too easy a life! I mean, that verse doesn't even imply there was any wrongfulness in the way the rich man acquired his wealth. He is guilty and deserving of punishment just for being harder working and more intelligent than others!

:roll:

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03 Dec 2012, 7:37 am

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There are plenty of religions that are more compatible with capitalism than Christianity. The ancient Greeks promoted individualism and greed whereas the Old and New Testaments both are against greed and individualism.

Many of the Greek thinkers, especially Aristotle, did NOT propose individualism in the sense that the individual is atomic and self-sufficient. Aristotle conceived of humans as part of the -polis-, the political community. Aristotle said that any being that was self sufficient and not part of a community was either a beast or a god.. He asserted that no human could live independent of a community and all must function within communities and take part of the political process. * In Athens, where Aristotle spent most of his adult life teaching, the 6000 or so male native Athenians the only ones with political rights were assigned to various assemblies and juries by lottery and were required to serve if their name came up in the lottery. Services was for a year.

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*Politics by Aristotle This should be read in conjunction with -Nimonachian Ethics- also by Aristotle.

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03 Dec 2012, 9:27 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgepbm9mA8A[/youtube]

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03 Dec 2012, 2:43 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djMfdYxsETU[/youtube]

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03 Dec 2012, 3:33 pm

RushKing wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djMfdYxsETU[/youtube]

Absolutely!

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04 Dec 2012, 8:02 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

RushKing wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djMfdYxsETU[/youtube]

Absolutely!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The usual Christian anti-pharasaic clap trap. Martin Luther would have come in his pants watching that.

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04 Dec 2012, 8:32 am

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

RushKing wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djMfdYxsETU[/youtube]

Absolutely!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The usual Christian anti-pharasaic clap trap. Martin Luther would have come in his pants watching that.

ruveyn

Maybe so, but if you're going to cum in your pants, shouldn't it be over kicking a bunch of soulless thieves and charlatans in the ass? :lol:

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04 Dec 2012, 8:55 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Maybe so, but if you're going to cum in your pants, shouldn't it be over kicking a bunch of soulless thieves and charlatans in the ass? :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Thieves? There were exchanging coin for sacrifices. People sometimes came over a hundred miles to give sacrifice at the Mikdosh on the major holidays. If they drove there lambs or oxen the entire distance they would have been unfit for an offering. There are several mitzvoht on taking coin to Jerusalem and exchanging them for a fit animal to be sacrificed.

This is the kind of ignorance that makes the Gospels a veritable well spring of Jew hatred.

But what can I expect? You Gentiles just don't get it.

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04 Dec 2012, 9:31 am

ruveyn wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Maybe so, but if you're going to cum in your pants, shouldn't it be over kicking a bunch of soulless thieves and charlatans in the ass? :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The perception is, the money changers were taking advantage of the common people by making them pay through the nose, going all the way to the top, which was occupied by priests who collaborated with the Romans. And why wouldn't an animal driven for a hundred miles be unfit to give to God? I'm sure the good Lord knew it was the thought that counts. I would think that Jesus and his twelve merry men weren't the only ones outraged by the way the common folk had been taken advantage of by the temple professionals.

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