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16 Aug 2012, 5:54 am

ZiSunSMB wrote:
You can't gain something without losing something of equal value. Without death, what would life be :?:


That is Zero Sum nonsense.

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17 Aug 2012, 8:11 am

I think it would be meaningless. Because living for all eternity would mean our concept of time would dissapear.



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17 Aug 2012, 8:19 pm

time provides temporal structure suitable for the limited comprehension of human minds, but it is also an unforgiving taskmaster. once one is free of time, one becomes aware of higher realities.



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18 Aug 2012, 9:30 am

auntblabby wrote:
time provides temporal structure suitable for the limited comprehension of human minds, but it is also an unforgiving taskmaster. once one is free of time, one becomes aware of higher realities.


All existence is physical and is embedded in the space-time continuum. The notion of time-free is absurd.

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19 Aug 2012, 1:21 am

ruveyn wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
time provides temporal structure suitable for the limited comprehension of human minds, but it is also an unforgiving taskmaster. once one is free of time, one becomes aware of higher realities.


All existence is physical and is embedded in the space-time continuum. The notion of time-free is absurd.

then kindly prove this.



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19 Aug 2012, 1:51 am

ruveyn wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
time provides temporal structure suitable for the limited comprehension of human minds, but it is also an unforgiving taskmaster. once one is free of time, one becomes aware of higher realities.


All existence is physical and is embedded in the space-time continuum. The notion of time-free is absurd.

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I think he means that one becomes free of time as an imperative.



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19 Aug 2012, 1:52 am

how can one prove that all existence is physical?



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19 Aug 2012, 3:06 am

Even if we could define what 'existence' is, what it means to 'exist', then we still have the problem of defining what 'physical' is.



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19 Aug 2012, 4:41 pm

auntblabby wrote:
how can one prove that all existence is physical?


It's simply not true. Numbers exist, but aren't physical. Spiritual things may also exist.



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19 Aug 2012, 5:21 pm

Jitro wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
how can one prove that all existence is physical?


It's simply not true. Numbers exist, but aren't physical. Spiritual things may also exist.


Numbers are patterns of neural actions in our brains. They have no existence outside our skins.

If there were no sentient beings, there would be no numbers or anything else of an abstract nature. Our brains manufacture abstractions. That is one of the things a brain does for a living.

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19 Aug 2012, 5:44 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Jitro wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
how can one prove that all existence is physical?


It's simply not true. Numbers exist, but aren't physical. Spiritual things may also exist.


Numbers are patterns of neural actions in our brains. They have no existence outside our skins.

If there were no sentient beings, there would be no numbers or anything else of an abstract nature. Our brains manufacture abstractions. That is one of the things a brain does for a living.

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Sure there would be. Several stars existed before sentient beings did. Mathematics certainly has existence outside of brains. It is not just a construct of sentient beings. It existed before sentient beings did. Yet mathematics is not physical. Saying that it wouldn't exist without brains is as absurd as saying the whole entire universe wouldn't exist without brains.



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19 Aug 2012, 6:07 pm

Jitro wrote:

Sure there would be. Several stars existed before sentient beings did. Mathematics certainly has existence outside of brains. It is not just a construct of sentient beings. It existed before sentient beings did. Yet mathematics is not physical. Saying that it wouldn't exist without brains is as absurd as saying the whole entire universe wouldn't exist without brains.


Every last bit of mathematics I knows was produced by human beings using their human brains. Show us some math that was not produced by a sentient biological being.

The stars are not mathematical objects., They are physical but they can be -described- in a mathematical way. Do not confuse the painting with the subject of the painting.

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20 Aug 2012, 12:29 am

Yes. The idea of death is the most terrifying concept for me to deal with. Knowing that one day I will no longer exist is absolutely terrifying and without a certainty of whether or not there is such a thing as an after life, I can't possibly know what the after life would be like for me if there was one. What if it turns out I am going to be tortured forever after death by a sadistic god because I refused to worship a being that was as immoral as Joseph Stalin? That will be horrible if that is what I have to look forward to after I die!



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20 Aug 2012, 1:30 am

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What if it turns out I am going to be tortured forever after death by a sadistic god because I refused to worship a being that was as immoral as Joseph Stalin? That will be horrible if that is what I have to look forward to after I die!

that is what the forces of darkness want you to believe.



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20 Aug 2012, 2:22 am

Mathematics is discovered. The relationships described by mathematics already exist in nature and are not dependant on a human brain.



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20 Aug 2012, 10:42 am

auntblabby wrote:
Alfonso12345 wrote:
What if it turns out I am going to be tortured forever after death by a sadistic god because I refused to worship a being that was as immoral as Joseph Stalin? That will be horrible if that is what I have to look forward to after I die!

that is what the forces of darkness want you to believe.


What do you believe the forces of darkness are and where do you think they come from? It seems likely that my fears are irrational and come from inside of my mind. If there really is a force of darkness and a god is responsible for allowing this force of darkness to exist, then the god itself is about as immoral as Joseph Stalin.