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Is Fox News a cult?
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05 Nov 2012, 8:21 pm

I really can't vote either way. I don't think Fox News itself counts as a cult, but some the viewers definitely do.


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05 Nov 2012, 8:45 pm

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What makes someone "far right?" I'm being quite serious, while there are some fringe groups on the right, they really don't have all that much influence, and while the media loves to claim the tea party is some kind of dangerous cult or fringe group, the Tea Party is primarily made up of people that want fiscal accountability in Washington and think the Government has overstepped it's bounds in certain areas (such as the government takeover of healthcare). From a social standpoint, the Tea Party is made up of a pretty diverse group of people, and yes there are social liberals (whom are fiscal conservatives) that are in the Tea Party).


The ones who want to make all religions except theres illegal. The ones who want to put prayer back in schools, but not a moment of silence, they want the kids taught a prayer from their religion and make them say it every day. The ones who want everything off tv except stuff they believe in and stuff that pushes their values. The ones who want to pass laws preventing others from doing things that they don't like, even though those things harm no one. The ones who petitioned Wal Mart to stop selling the Harry Potter books and when Wal Mart refused they bought them all and burned them on a Sunday after church. The ones who demand to be able to hang religious works in their courtrooms but would outlaw a woman wearing a religious mandate garment, simply because it's different religion. The ones who want to dictate that my kids are taught something other than actual science in science class in public schools. The ones who teach their kids to hate based on religion and opinion. Need I go on?


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05 Nov 2012, 8:54 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

What makes someone "far right?" I'm being quite serious, while there are some fringe groups on the right, they really don't have all that much influence, and while the media loves to claim the tea party is some kind of dangerous cult or fringe group, the Tea Party is primarily made up of people that want fiscal accountability in Washington and think the Government has overstepped it's bounds in certain areas (such as the government takeover of healthcare). From a social standpoint, the Tea Party is made up of a pretty diverse group of people, and yes there are social liberals (whom are fiscal conservatives) that are in the Tea Party).


The ones who want to make all religions except theres illegal. The ones who want to put prayer back in schools, but not a moment of silence, they want the kids taught a prayer from their religion and make them say it every day. The ones who want everything off tv except stuff they believe in and stuff that pushes their values. The ones who want to pass laws preventing others from doing things that they don't like, even though those things harm no one. The ones who petitioned Wal Mart to stop selling the Harry Potter books and when Wal Mart refused they bought them all and burned them on a Sunday after church. The ones who demand to be able to hang religious works in their courtrooms but would outlaw a woman wearing a religious mandate garment, simply because it's different religion. The ones who want to dictate that my kids are taught something other than actual science in science class in public schools. The ones who teach their kids to hate based on religion and opinion. Need I go on?


Amen.

I would add that while some of the ideals of the Tea Party are quite noble and I agree with them in principle (the ideals of limited government, fiscal accountability, and individual freedom), it seems that very many of those in the Tea Party are ignorant bigoted racists and what they are trying to do and the way they go about doing it goes AGAINST the principles they claim to represent as I see it. For example, it is quite common to hear someone in the Tea Party try to legislate reality in public school science classrooms, or openly say they want America to become a theocracy when that is the opposite of what the Founding Fathers intended and clearly stated.


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05 Nov 2012, 9:34 pm

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OliveOilMom wrote:
It isn't a cult in itself, but it is the news station of choice of some cults.


What cult?

There are a few things that actually got me to stop watching the other media outlets. Among them are:

Incident in 2001, New York Times on 9/11/2001

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970's as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/books ... wanted=all

An incident in 2004 from CBS News; also known as memogate or Rathergate.

An incident in 2006 known a Reutergate, but also dragged several other media outlets into that scandal.


This is consistent with the cult approach that involves personal testimonies from converts.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q2.html

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When you go to meetings, cult members will all tell you that the cult is wonderful and the best thing that ever happened to them....

In some groups, a standard part of every get-together or church service is a session where people "testify", or "witness", or "share", and tell stories of what wonderful things the cult has done for them. That helps to both indoctrinate the newcomers and strengthen the "faith" of the current members.


In your case, you can even testify of bitter memories planted in your mind--memories that you may sincerely believe, but planted memories all the same--of prior experiences with other networks.

Plus, you profess the denigration of competing organizations, which is the hallmark of a cult

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cul ... al_attacks
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This is commonplace, and hardly needs any explanation.

What is curious is the degree to which the hatred of others is based on similarity. That is, the closer two groups are in their beliefs, goals, activities, philosophies, appearances, and everything else that defines the group, the more they seem to hate each other. For instance, ... the extremist Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland — Irish Christians, one and all — hated and killed each other for the better part of a century, and yet, they had no such vicious hatred of Hindus, Buddhists, Moslems, or Communist atheists, people with very different religious beliefs... Likewise, during the Middle Ages in Europe, the Christian Catholics and Protestants slaughtered each other by the millions, in the Twenty Years War and the Forty Years War. Those Christians also waged war on Muslims in the Crusades, but the Muslims got off easy, in comparison to the other Christians.

And Scientology has a pathological hatred of psychiatry and psychiatrists, who offer a very different model of the human mind, and how to improve it, than the model that Scientology sells to its members. Scientologists are very vocal in denouncing modern psychiatry and its pharmacology.


So far, everything seems to check out in the affirmative.

One question: do you give money to Political Action Committees (for example, SARAH-PAC) when contributions are solicited on Fox "News?"



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05 Nov 2012, 9:40 pm

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I really don't care about Bill Ayers' letter to the editor, I care how the New York Times wrote the story.

Mr. Ayers also wrote to complain about the way that the New York Times wrote the story. You two actually have a lot in common

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Btw, I only listed a handful of what led me to completely distrust the other networks and many other media outlets.


You completely distrust anything that doesn't come directly from Fox. And yet, you know that Fox lies, and is nothing more than the Republican Party's propaganda machine.

This confirms that Fox "News" is not only a cult, but a very powerful one.



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06 Nov 2012, 4:32 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

What makes someone "far right?" I'm being quite serious, while there are some fringe groups on the right, they really don't have all that much influence, and while the media loves to claim the tea party is some kind of dangerous cult or fringe group, the Tea Party is primarily made up of people that want fiscal accountability in Washington and think the Government has overstepped it's bounds in certain areas (such as the government takeover of healthcare). From a social standpoint, the Tea Party is made up of a pretty diverse group of people, and yes there are social liberals (whom are fiscal conservatives) that are in the Tea Party).


The ones who want to make all religions except theres illegal. The ones who want to put prayer back in schools, but not a moment of silence, they want the kids taught a prayer from their religion and make them say it every day. The ones who want everything off tv except stuff they believe in and stuff that pushes their values. The ones who want to pass laws preventing others from doing things that they don't like, even though those things harm no one. The ones who petitioned Wal Mart to stop selling the Harry Potter books and when Wal Mart refused they bought them all and burned them on a Sunday after church. The ones who demand to be able to hang religious works in their courtrooms but would outlaw a woman wearing a religious mandate garment, simply because it's different religion. The ones who want to dictate that my kids are taught something other than actual science in science class in public schools. The ones who teach their kids to hate based on religion and opinion. Need I go on?



What you are describing is simply the religious right, they are easy. Other extremes on the right, however, are difficult.

The Left is has more ideological purity then the Right. So extremes of the Left just reconfirm its trinity, Race, Gender, and Class, just in a more extreme sense, but here is no break from the orthodoxy.

But the Right has the Economic Libertarians, Paleocons, Neocons, and certainly a religious movement within each one. We run the gamut on social issues, you see a clear war within the right between the isolationists and interventionists, between the free-trade and protectionist camps. So any extreme of social conservatives, paleocons who take protectionism to a new level, interventionists or free-trade of the neocons, or the fiscal rigidity of the libertarian right, all come together to create a very ugly picture, which people like to just classify as the Right as if they are all the same. There is no continuity on the right because of the camps battling it out in the realm of ideas. So when you say far right, it would help to specify. The people who are for cutting government in half may not neccessarily be the same people trying to push prayer into schools, or the same person whose for a woman's right to choose, or a promoter of American intervention abroad.


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06 Nov 2012, 4:41 am

Harry Potter is witchcraft.



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06 Nov 2012, 8:21 am

MarketAndChurch wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

What makes someone "far right?" I'm being quite serious, while there are some fringe groups on the right, they really don't have all that much influence, and while the media loves to claim the tea party is some kind of dangerous cult or fringe group, the Tea Party is primarily made up of people that want fiscal accountability in Washington and think the Government has overstepped it's bounds in certain areas (such as the government takeover of healthcare). From a social standpoint, the Tea Party is made up of a pretty diverse group of people, and yes there are social liberals (whom are fiscal conservatives) that are in the Tea Party).


The ones who want to make all religions except theres illegal. The ones who want to put prayer back in schools, but not a moment of silence, they want the kids taught a prayer from their religion and make them say it every day. The ones who want everything off tv except stuff they believe in and stuff that pushes their values. The ones who want to pass laws preventing others from doing things that they don't like, even though those things harm no one. The ones who petitioned Wal Mart to stop selling the Harry Potter books and when Wal Mart refused they bought them all and burned them on a Sunday after church. The ones who demand to be able to hang religious works in their courtrooms but would outlaw a woman wearing a religious mandate garment, simply because it's different religion. The ones who want to dictate that my kids are taught something other than actual science in science class in public schools. The ones who teach their kids to hate based on religion and opinion. Need I go on?



What you are describing is simply the religious right, they are easy. Other extremes on the right, however, are difficult.

The Left is has more ideological purity then the Right. So extremes of the Left just reconfirm its trinity, Race, Gender, and Class, just in a more extreme sense, but here is no break from the orthodoxy.

But the Right has the Economic Libertarians, Paleocons, Neocons, and certainly a religious movement within each one. We run the gamut on social issues, you see a clear war within the right between the isolationists and interventionists, between the free-trade and protectionist camps. So any extreme of social conservatives, paleocons who take protectionism to a new level, interventionists or free-trade of the neocons, or the fiscal rigidity of the libertarian right, all come together to create a very ugly picture, which people like to just classify as the Right as if they are all the same. There is no continuity on the right because of the camps battling it out in the realm of ideas. So when you say far right, it would help to specify. The people who are for cutting government in half may not neccessarily be the same people trying to push prayer into schools, or the same person whose for a woman's right to choose, or a promoter of American intervention abroad.


Differences of opinion among the Right doesn't mean that the Left is all one thing. Communists are notorious for splintering over issues of ideology, for instance.



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06 Nov 2012, 8:36 am

If Fox News is a cult, then the question is: how do we get them to tell their viewers to drink the Koolaid?? :lol:



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06 Nov 2012, 8:37 am

Fox News does apparently shill its viewers quite often for contributions to Political Action Committees

Here is Dick Morris, cinically using Hurricane Sandy to ask for money

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog/201 ... r-s/191000

Oral Roberts himself was less shameless.

Mike Huckabee does it

http://newsodrome.com/journalism_news/h ... s-10218622

And, of course, Fox shamelessly promoted SarahPac to its cult-viewers

http://mediamatters.org/video/2011/05/2 ... our/180087

The principal goals of a cult being to exert thought control over its members and to bring in money: Fox "News" is most definitely a cult.



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06 Nov 2012, 9:33 am

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The principal goals of a cult being to exert thought control over its members and to bring in money: Fox "News" is most definitely a cult.


By that definition, every religion is a cult. You could even argue that the Girl Scouts are a cult.



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06 Nov 2012, 9:42 am

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Jacoby he's just trying to flamebait me and other conservatives like yourself, because he can't stand the fact Fox News isn't worshipping Obama. He can't stand his left wing views being challenged.


This is consistent with what any cult-member might say if he felt that his cult was being attacked.


There was a scene from a movie I saw a month ago called The Master that reminds me of this.



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06 Nov 2012, 9:50 am

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I would add that while some of the ideals of the Tea Party are quite noble and I agree with them in principle (the ideals of limited government, fiscal accountability, and individual freedom), it seems that very many of those in the Tea Party are ignorant bigoted racists and what they are trying to do and the way they go about doing it goes AGAINST the principles they claim to represent as I see it. For example, it is quite common to hear someone in the Tea Party try to legislate reality in public school science classrooms, or openly say they want America to become a theocracy when that is the opposite of what the Founding Fathers intended and clearly stated.


I think everyone agrees with fiscal responsibility, but people disagree on how to do it. Some people think the answer to fixing the budget is cutting 6 million dollars to PBS, privatizing education, and increasing military spending. Others think we should become more efficient with spending but that programs that do help poor people should be left intact.



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06 Nov 2012, 10:34 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Fox News does apparently shill its viewers quite often for contributions to Political Action Committees

Here is Dick Morris, cinically using Hurricane Sandy to ask for money

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/blog/201 ... r-s/191000

Oral Roberts himself was less shameless.

Mike Huckabee does it

http://newsodrome.com/journalism_news/h ... s-10218622

And, of course, Fox shamelessly promoted SarahPac to its cult-viewers

http://mediamatters.org/video/2011/05/2 ... our/180087

The principal goals of a cult being to exert thought control over its members and to bring in money: Fox "News" is most definitely a cult.


I find it interesting that you are using Media Matters as a source, when they essentially declared war on Fox News and yet claim to be a nonpartisan organization to get tax-exempt status...

Media Matters literally has no credibility when it comes to their reporting, as evidenced by the fact they admitted they were going to use "sabotage" as a method to take down Fox News...



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06 Nov 2012, 10:45 am

Inuyasha wrote:
I find it interesting that you are using Media Matters as a source, when they essentially declared war on Fox News and yet claim to be a nonpartisan organization to get tax-exempt status...

Media Matters literally has no credibility when it comes to their reporting, as evidenced by the fact they admitted they were going to use "sabotage" as a method to take down Fox News...


Q.E.D.



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06 Nov 2012, 11:01 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I find it interesting that you are using Media Matters as a source, when they essentially declared war on Fox News and yet claim to be a nonpartisan organization to get tax-exempt status...

Media Matters literally has no credibility when it comes to their reporting, as evidenced by the fact they admitted they were going to use "sabotage" as a method to take down Fox News...


Q.E.D.


Hey ArrantPariah, it's called reading you should try it sometime.

The liberal group Media Matters has quietly transformed itself in preparation for what its founder, David Brock, described in an interview as an all-out campaign of “guerrilla warfare and sabotage” aimed at the Fox News Channel.

The group, launched as a more traditional media critic, has all but abandoned its monitoring of newspapers and other television networks and is narrowing its focus to Fox and a handful of conservative websites, which its leaders view as political organizations and the “nerve center” of the conservative movement. The shift reflects the centrality of the cable channel to the contemporary conservative movement, as well as the loathing it inspires among liberals — not least among the donors who fund Media Matters’ staff of about 90, who are arrayed in neat rows in a giant war room above Massachusetts Avenue.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/03 ... z2BSUKaPTN

Politico isn't exactly a conservative news outlet, looks more like the person whom is in a cult is you ArrantPariah, considering this is probably the 5th time I've posted this source up for you to read...