Something's a bit out of balance here.

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Actually, if you compare a map showing where school children can still be beaten by school administrators




And, the national election results




The correlation is eerie. All of those childhood beatings must have damaged some brains.

WTF is this?
As of last week the Dakotas, Nebraska, Montana, and Utah were red.
Colorado and Florida were blue.
Or are you high-jacking this thread with a "school beating" (i.e. proper discipline) map? If so which color represents what?
I'm not as up to date on spanking policy like you apparently, for whatever reason, are so I don't know what's what from state to state.

Not really, I can attest that there are a ton of repukes and teabaggers in my so-called "blue state". They don't have a majority but their shrillness makes up for it. They are all going absolutely bonkers now since Romney lost the election. It's almost frightening.


Guns don't kill 10 year old children, crotchety republicans kill 10 year old children and vote for "stand your ground" laws so they can get away with it.

The tea party shouldn't be too shocked that Romney lost. It didn't surprise me all that much. Even though I voted for Romney he is a moderate in my book so it was no great loss.
I don't see the GOP or tea party getting their s**t together enough in the foreseeable future to be frightening to anyone.

I would have thought it was self evident.

The top map is a "states in which beatings are legal" map, with red being those states.
The bottom map is a map of the election.

If you think Romney is a moderate/centrist, then you must have a really skewed idea of the left-right spectrum. Even Obama is right of centre, and Romney is significantly to his right. I knew you were far right, but I didn't know how far...

America has plenty of extremists on the right.

Let's Analyze Moral Equivalents Further:
Yes, that is true, but your "two-wrongs don't make a right" doesn't apply in this instance because there are gradations of evil. What is our barometer? Well, relevance is one. Frequency is another. Context is a third. There are just so many.

We don't lump abortion clinic bombers in with terrorists who have and continue to harm people and are of a certain religious belief, because that is obviously an impediment to moral reasoning. What…, we're going to stop fighting terrorists because who are we to say they are wrong when we have terrorists too? When was the last time an anti-abortionist blew up an abortion clinic? To even bring them up is to construct a moral equivalent so that we can impede our own moral reasoning, and thus cannot say that a terrorist is truly evil. But the reason a moral equivalent is often given is because we Americans, we cannot be that noble, all of our actions must be fueled by racism, or sexism, or imperialism, or greed..., so operating under that assumption, the leftist will ask: "how can we lower our own stock." They may ask: "Maybe those muslim terrorists are fighting for what they believe is right,just as we fight for our beliefs, and therefore who are we to judge" Or so the morally deluded will entertain.

The existence of an abortion clinic bomber does not trouble us on the right. The question we ask is... if there are so many extremists on the RIght, and more then 170,000,000 people in who are America are pro-life, why are there not more abortion bombings? Contrast that with women who are not allowed to drive in some places or the occasional dumping of acid on those women who have disappointed you, sexually... socially... what have you. There is no comparison, NONE! You have a few occur weekly in a certain part of the world, and women are frequently imprisoned for being raped. Their charge? Adultery.


Square This For Me:
Moral Equivalents is more then just an impediment to moral reasoning. Those who argue it and moral relativism don't actually believe in it. They'll tell you: "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" or "Who are we to judge their culture, morality is relative and what's right for them is right for them" -- and then have the nerve to turn around and dump on the Iraq war as being immoral. Or that the United States is an immoral actor on the world stage. According to who exactly? If morality is relative, our morals are our morals, and it should not trouble you that we firebomb other nations. If the majority of your fellow citizens agree with going to war, then you are not only the outlier, but their morality is this nation's morality, and who are you to judge? The non-thought that goes on on the left is disheartening. It is emotions based, logic goes in through the filter of the heart before it is understood by the mind.





Insult our allies? It was their stupid imperialism and their nazism, fascism, and communism that almost drove the world into oblivion. It was our markets and way of life that they added to their own and now they are the wonders of the world and have lended to movements in the arts, sciences, technology, culture, music, social justice, you name it.Europe turned to a more rigid socialism in the first half of the 20th century, but since they've merged our capitalism into their mix where state spending as a % of GDP dropped dramatically, in some places below 50%, they've seen their standard of living go through the roof.





Know Your Side
There you go again assuming intentions. What, and we're not for preventing suffering? You just have to look at the two groups. One wants to pursue cost, and the other coverage. Both argue that by taking their path, you meet the others concerns as well. The values guiding the left to choose coverage over tackling costs are purely equality based. 85% have coverage, but in a country so wealthy, why does 15% "suffer" without health insurance… How can we make a more equal society, they ask.

And don't delude yourself to thinking that the American Left is somehow a unique and exceptional aberration from the norm… The Left is the same everywhere, their values of Equality, Multiculturalism, Secularism, Compassion, Tolerance, power their movements for social justice in Race, Gender, Class, and the Environment. Equality and Compassion being the two strongest animators of all left-wing social policy, regardless of where they reside.


Europe Is NOT A Model
American conservatives want a sustainable government. The European model is proof that the Left's values do not work. You have a secular society who does not reproduce, but where are the next generations of people who will sustain the system since you can retire so early and collect so many benefits throughout your lifetime? They import in people of all sorts, without asking them to adopt their Left-wing value system, and within a few generations, the Left's ideas will die with them, leaving the continent to all these foreigners who may not appreciate the gifts of culture and science and progress that has been left to them by the non-thinking Left. It is stage-one thinking, as Thomas Sowell has often said. You never ask what the consequences are because to be on the left is to mean well. That is what matters to them.

He keeps saying that meanings is what matters to liberals while all parties are essentially guilty of this. Take your head out of the ground first before you tell us what beautiful weather it is today.

Well then perhaps you can explain the Left making a moral equivalent out of Reagan and the Soviets, and supporting the side of tyranny since WWII? The Soviets meant well, the results were unfortunate, but to the side that judges intentions and motives over results and doing well, that is of no importance.

The Left's babying of Black Americans who owe their being here to White slave owners is the ultimate form of racism. Their too stupid to get ID's or learn to speak english HAS TO BE a white Liberal's assumption. So we as a society will lower ourselves down to their level instead of bringing them up to ours... to bring them up to ours would be to suggest that their culture is inferior and ours is superior. Forget that you may bar a LARGE portion of them out of both the job market, and limit their participation in many cultural institutions that would provide them better footing, such as marriage, democracy, home ownership, attending college, etc. No, it is better that we make them feel good about themselves, and, to impose on them that they should learn how to speak basic english and meet the academic standards that everyone else is forced to meet is neo-colonialism, and racism, amongst many other charges. So we let them keep their ebonics, and tolerate the large numbers of them who graduate high school with a 6th grade reading, writing, and mathematics comprehension level.

Intentions matter to the left. Results do not. One day, I hope Blacks wake up to this. To the fact that Blacks from Africa come here and bypass American Blacks and move right into the Middle Class after a generation or two. The same for those who come here from India, or China, or Japan, or Korea. And maybe, just maybe, question whether or not it is time to jump ship, but not before lynching their current slave masters:

White Liberals Who Mean Well, and their Bigotry Of Low Expectations.

A low IQ is also a good predictor for voting Repugnican

Plus, Fatties seem to vote Repugnican

Reagan - because neoliberal economics is doing so well in delivering the utopia that it promised based on its conception of the ideal man? Not only have they not delivered in 30 years, they have actually thrown the gear into reverse and we have the opposite of everything that they promised. I know you will get a kick out of this next step because you see liberals as being motive judgers, but s**t, atleast the Communists delivered on what they said they meant to do. It didn't work, but atleast they didn't go backwards on their word.

And your missive about liberals and race is nothing. It doesn't exist anywhere except in what you want to see.
Getting IDs- Some people are on fixed incomes and with the bills, the cost of living going up due to inflation there can be a point made that they cannot afford the fee to buy a state ID.
How they talk - That is a cultural thing. Everybody learns how to talk from their environment. I agree with your point of view that a way of talking can be a barrier to participating in society but I have to ask, what do you think can be done to make it better within what they have right now?

State IDs for voting should be made available at no cost or at most a nominal fee that anyone could afford, say a dollar.

If this is not done, it could be argued that the requirement to obtain an ID is a poll tax which is unconstitutional.

ruveyn

There's a difference between a true consistent centrist and a flexible opportunist like Romney. It's not really his fault though as the Republican base has gotten so extreme that it's impossible to please them without alienating the rest. Rallying the wingnuts and teabaggers has become the only way to get through the Republican primaries. After that he suddenly changed his tune to look slightly more moderate but it was hardly convincing.

You know there are polls out showing that something like 25% of self-described conservatives and 65% of independents favor raising taxes along with cutting spending in order to tackle the deficit. These people did not all vote for Obama either. His early hawkish bluster on Iran also turned potential voters off. The majority of Americans DO NOT want another war. Romney's backpedaling during the debates with Obama evened the polls up somewhat but it wasn't enough to win because not enough of the "undecided" people were stupid enough to trust his flip-flopping ways. There's also the fresh memory of Obama who also flip-flopped on campaign promises to his progressive base once he got in office.

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Not really.
I never would have thought someone would actually make a spanking map.