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21 Mar 2013, 1:59 am

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Ah, that's another thing. The main problems described in Leviticus were with incest, for reasons that should be obvious, and with coitus that does not result in pregnancy. The primary reason that male homosexuality was banned was because the participants were committing the sin of Onan, who spilled his seed upon the ground to avoid getting his lover pregnant, coitus interruptus. Because the "seed" was released with no "fertile ground" where it could "take root", he was damned.

Nothing in the Bible condemns sex between a man and a woman, except during the menstrual period. Even if the sex is purely for pleasure, and there is no chance of pregnancy, sex between a man and wife is not a sin, unless the man "spills his seed" somewhere where it can not take root, details you can fill in for yourself. Given the absence of ejaculate, so long as two women love and are committed to one another, thus married in the eyes of God (In the absence of legal avenues for marriage), there is no reason that sexual pleasure would be a sin, given the language used in the Bible.

And the exact passage does not mention homosexuality by that name. "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." Now given the specificity of the incest laws, where it breaks down which individual family members you may not have sex with, or even the specific dietary restrictions, we can assume that the passage was exactly as specific as it seems, in that men should not have sex with men. Women are a "gray area" in legal terms.

You're talking about savage people who were all about being strict and holy and vengeful. Trying to change the intended meaning to pretend homosexuality isn't condemned in the Bible is like arguing that dirty water is clean.

So homosexuality is still condemned in the Bible? Is it really the truth?

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21 Mar 2013, 2:05 am

The truth is that the Bible is basically full of lies and should not dictate what you should believe.

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21 Mar 2013, 3:03 am

Maybe its just an old passage for back then in those days, because why would God want anyone to be unhappy? He would want them to love and be with whoever they want regardless of gender.

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21 Mar 2013, 10:35 am

Been battling with the same thing most of my life and a mother that will never accept it, being in the Baptist faith. I'm gay and I have been in a long standing loving relationship. There can't be any law against that because it doesn't hurt anyone to love someone of the same gender. It doesn't hurt my neighbour unless he/she can see through the window surely?
If there appears to be a restriction without a valid reason, then don't worry too much about it. There's been a lot of heartache because people insist on taking the gay stuff so literally and indeed making it out to be worse than anything else.
Where are these antigay people when children are neglected nor raped,animals are abused or slaughtered, wars fought, the list goes on and they almost never pay much attention to these issues, reserving their venom for homosexuality/lesbianism.

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21 Mar 2013, 11:20 am

Being told to "go with your feelings" is bad advice; it's even worse than blind obedience to religion. Your feelings may impel you to do harmful things, after all. It's so easy to be a slave to your passions.

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21 Mar 2013, 11:22 am

Religious people who are obsessed with demonizing homosexuality disturb me. I always think they're hiding something. Like a stash of S&M cp or something.

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21 Mar 2013, 12:04 pm

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I know several nice, clean, Christian lesbians. I also know several nice, clean Christian gay guys.

What does being nice, clean or Christian have to do with who you are sexually attracted to?

As for what you should do about it, I think that if you are that curious you should try it and see. You may or may not like it. I would also suggest trying it with a guy too because you said you like guys, and that way you would have a better idea about what you prefer.

I would also not discuss something like that with my mother, especially since she tells you that the devil is making you have certain feelings. If she were rational about it and wasn't closed minded then I wouldn't suggest avoiding talking to her about it, but since she isn't, I'd suggest talking to a friend about it instead. If nothing else, call one of the help lines set up for gay and lesbian teens and young adults. A counselor there might be able to answer your questions better.

Just because I don't even believe in premarital sex and lust is a sin. That's what it means to be nice and clean to me. Though I would just like to kiss, hug, make out a little bit and see what it would feel like to do that with a girl. I know that wouldn't be wrong to do that with a guy, but I don't know about a girl. I imagine myself liking it both ways with both genders. I like the feel of being around girls. Its a nice, sweet, cute feeling.

I don't think I'm going to be able to discuss this much with my mother anymore by the way she's already acted towards me about it. The way she's being so harsh towards people like that. All of the time she keeps asking me though that am I talking to any girls and she's always picking at me about it now. So I don't know what to do and I don't lie. I'll just have to tell her to leave me alone about it and that everything is gonna be okay, but then she'll just figure me out. I really don't have any real friends I could talk to about this. That's why I'm searching online for help like this.

Perhaps you could ask her to stop interrogating you about girl-on-girl relations.

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If I told her to stop. I honestly don't believe she would. She would just keep going on and on at me about it knowing her.

This is one of those situations where you have to stand up for yourself and realize that you are an adult and not under her authority any longer. Try saying something like "Mom, I love you but anything at all to do with what love life I may or may not have, or any of my personal feelings about anything pertaining to that are none of your business. You need to stop asking me about it because I will neither confirm nor deny anything to you and you might as well stop trying to talk to me about it because I'm going to tune you out. I'm asking you nicely to stay out of it." Then after that, do not speak to her about any of it no matter what she says or asks, and walk away when she brings it up.

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21 Mar 2013, 3:10 pm

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Your creator made you as you are. If you believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving God, then it is a necesary conclusion from that belief that God knows about your attractions and means for you to have them.
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ah, but the biblical response to that is that 'satan made you gay' to corrupt you.

Poor old satan gets the buick passed to him a lot.

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21 Mar 2013, 4:04 pm

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ah, but the biblical response to that is that 'satan made you gay' to corrupt you.

Poor old satan gets the buick passed to him a lot.

If one believes in an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent deity, then anything done by Satan must necessarily fall within the pattern of creation.

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22 Mar 2013, 12:23 am

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Now my mom always thinks that when she's gone for her dialysis treatment 3 times in the week that I'm gonna go out and try to find me a girl friend behind her back. So I'm already stuck there too. She's really watching me good. She's like got me really pinned down. She's really trying to control me here on this. Would this be horrible, rude, and rebellious against her if I just go ahead and act on my feelings and stop listening to her? Because I'm a nice, sweet, respectful and polite daughter and I don't wanna mess that up, but the way she's treating me right now just makes me feel really uncomfortable and tied down. Would it be my fault if this kills her or gives her a heart attack? I'm afraid that I'm gonna feel guilty if something bad happens to her. Plus what if I get kicked out?

Before I give anymore input, do you have a car, manage your own finances, or have a face-to-face social network, and does she have a court order giving her any control of your life? You sound like you are both home together a lot.

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22 Mar 2013, 3:43 am

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She pretty much takes care of everything. So I'm always with her.

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22 Mar 2013, 4:36 am

ShyChristianGirl wrote:

Maybe its just an old passage for back then in those days, because why would God want anyone to be unhappy? He would want them to love and be with whoever they want regardless of gender.

But you could justify anything with "God wants people to be happy". People think they'd be happier committing all sorts of sins all the time. And if that's the case why did God design us with genders at all, why aren't we all hermaphrodites?

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22 Mar 2013, 4:53 am

Cei wrote:

ShyChristianGirl wrote:

Maybe its just an old passage for back then in those days, because why would God want anyone to be unhappy? He would want them to love and be with whoever they want regardless of gender.

I mean that God wants us to be happy and for us to be free and love whoever we want to love. I don't commit all sorts of sins all of the time. I sometimes wonder that too and wish that we could all just be the same. That we could all just be one gender.

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22 Mar 2013, 5:07 am

Cei wrote:

ShyChristianGirl wrote:

Maybe its just an old passage for back then in those days, because why would God want anyone to be unhappy? He would want them to love and be with whoever they want regardless of gender.

Because being a hermaphrodite would suck.
(Meaning no offense to any hermaphroditic WP members :lol:

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22 Mar 2013, 9:13 am

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Are you telling her not to be bisexual? Because sexuality isn't the sort of thing that people control. You really need to stop making sexist and homophobic comments, or you're going to get reported and probably kicked off.

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23 Mar 2013, 12:05 am

ShyChristianGirl wrote:

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She pretty much takes care of everything. So I'm always with her.

It sounds like you have things to address in your life before you get to sexuality. You will need a form of transportation (even public) and a source of money (even temporary welfare or SSI). You will also need to be able to make your own thoughts and feelings without others in your head. Without these things being done, you might as well be a slave in any relationship you have because you will be absolutely dependent on them for everything- including what to feel. Learn to take care of your own personal business. Learn to manage money. Get a source of income. Maybe learn to drive and get a car. If your mom has been given any legal authority over your life by a court, appeal it once you have learned a little about managing your own life. I hate to sound condescending, but your life is on a path you will eventually really hate, and many who have taken a similar path have ended up suicidal.

I can't tell you who to date, but I strongly advise you to take a very long time to work out how you feel and kick all external influences (including people, media, and online sources) out of your head while you work it out. Your relationships will most likely be miserable if you jump to conclusions about your sexuality.

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